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It's typical of the arrogance of the FA that they had to have their own version of VAR rather than just doing what everyone else is doing. There's such an arrogance that they know better than Johnny Foreigner.
Get rid of it. Its dreadful, football is the most popular sport in the world because of that pure emotion you get when your team scores. VAR is taking that away to the point you can't properly celebrate a goal now without wondering whether it will be disallowed. Added to the fact they can't even make the right calls. Alli yesterday, James the week before and plenty of others. Football was perfectly fine before the worst thing thats ever been brought in
The Dele Alli handball was as clear a plenty as you will likely see in a game of football, yet it took around 5 minutes to look at only to get the call wrong.
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I'd love to hear their reasoning. Even with VAR you only need one, max two frames to make that decision and yet it took so long. How? What were they doing all that time?
I hate it so much. Don't even celebrate when we score anymore (and that's a facking rarity )
The problem with VAR is that when you depend on one person's interpretation, you get disagreement but when you are then depending on how two people see something, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
There are some things that are down to reading of a situation which you cannot overturn. There are some things so tight, that you should not overturn. There are the clear and obvious which you must overturn.
Most of us are complaining about the wild discrepancies. How can VAR not give a penalty against Dele Alli? How can VAR disallow Arsenal's perfectly good goal last week? How can VAR give a foul on Deulofeu against Chelsea? How could they not give the clear one against Spurs a couple of weeks back? How can you say you can't go back more than one sequence of play but (and quite rightfully) disallow Chelsea's equaliser against Liverpool taking the game back more than two sequences?
Before, the ref would make an honest mistake (apart from Mike Dean who is just an as$hole in my opinion) and you'd feel hard done by for a few minutes. Now, VAR is stopping the game and making a complete mockery with some awful decisions.
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
I don't really see much of an issue with how it was used during the WC or CL though. As someone alluded to the PL had to 'adapted' it to the English game instead of looking what other competitions have done. I mean the same sport should have universal rules and universal ways of enforcing them, at least sports at the highest level.
I thought VAR was only meant to be used for clear and obvious errors? If so, why is every single decision/goal/moment of a game being checked, and why has the final say been taken away from the ref? Surely the VAR check should be initiated by the ref if he’s unsure? And he should then be allowed to check the pitch side monitor? It’s clear that Mike Riley and his cronies have told refs they’re not allowed to check the monitors and it honestly baffles me.
I personally think we should go to a tennis like system where each team/manager/captain gets 2 or 3 challenges per half. Because right now it’s destroying the game.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
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There is technology in almost all sport now. Are you saying football is special?
Other sports have found ways to make technology work to their advantage and the same should happen in football IMOm
Once again the arrogance in the English game has led to them taking VAR, that worked in other countries and at the World Cup and put forward their own adaptation. First of all they decided not to implement it, when everybody else did last season and then decided they would do things differently.
They had advised referees not to look at the screen on the side. They have colluded to make incorrect calls correct, with evidence of video on Saturday of them moving lines and drawing diagonal lines instead of straight ones. They will then say that correct calls are in the high 90 percent. It appears to me that referees are trying to prove that they don't need VAR. If I'm not mistaken they didn't have a representative at the last World Cup, which shows how highly they're rated.
VAR is not the problem, how it is being used is the problem. Perhaps there should be a group of retired referees, independant from current referees, where they don't manipulate the lines, to make it appear correct.
I don't expect perfection, just fairness. Which is what VAR has brought everywhere else but the PL.
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is technology in almost all sport now. Are you saying football is special?
Other sports have found ways to make technology work to their advantage and the same should happen in football IMOm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is unique yes. In tennis, every single shot has to objectively fall within the lines of the court. Not 10%, or 50% or even 99% - but all shots.
Football is a game of interpretation. This week alone should tell you that. You can’t apply a scientific blanket to the merits of intent / force etc.
Time for AI refs. It is still human error that is the issue so we need to get rid of humans and use robotic refs. Yet you humans blame VAR to take the attention away from your failure as a species.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is technology in almost all sport now. Are you saying football is special?
Other sports have found ways to make technology work to their advantage and the same should happen in football IMOm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is unique yes. In tennis, every single shot has to objectively fall within the lines of the court. Not 10%, or 50% or even 99% - but all shots.
Football is a game of interpretation. This week alone should tell you that. You can’t apply a scientific blanket to the merits of intent / force etc.
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What about Rugby and a gazillion other sports? Are they not sports of interpretation?
VAR is not purposed to "apply a scientific blanket to merits of intent/force". The same way it was down to the ref to decide these things before VAR, so it should be after VAR, only this time that same ref will have the benefit of a replay before deciding if there was intent or too much force etc.
The manner of implementation is giving different results and that's where the problem is.
VAR asks fans to abandon sportsmanship. You'd take a bad decision before because it's swings and roundabouts. Is that what we're seeing here? VAR should remove the doubt and help correct decisions be made. But judgment is still out on it. Would human error be more potable than it mistakes? I don't know. The full on rage against decisions shouldn't be lost and now we have that with a computer.
VAR asks fans to abandon sportsmanship. You'd take a bad decision before because it's swings and roundabouts. Is that what we're seeing here? VAR should remove the doubt and help correct decisions be made. But judgment is still out on it. Would human error be more potable than it mistakes? I don't know. The full on rage against decisions shouldn't be lost and now we have that with a computer.
Hackett, former boss of PGMOL, was on Talksport(I know but I really wanted to hear opinions on the offside) this morning stating what I said earlier - current refs should not be the VAR, it should be retired refs. What could be his reason for saying that?
For me he also believes that they are attempting not to change decisions, either to back up their mates or to keep the stats high.
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 4 hours, 32 minutes ago
VAR asks fans to abandon sportsmanship. You'd take a bad decision before because it's swings and roundabouts. Is that what we're seeing here? VAR should remove the doubt and help correct decisions be made. But judgment is still out on it. Would human error be more potable than it mistakes? I don't know. The full on rage against decisions shouldn't be lost and now we have that with a computer.
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No, VAR us supposed to increase sportsmanship by getting more decisions correct and punishing players for diving rather than giving penalties and sending players off when it has been missed the first time.
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Hackett, former boss of PGMOL, was on Talksport(I know but I really wanted to hear opinions on the offside) this morning stating what I said earlier - current refs should not be the VAR, it should be retired refs. What could be his reason for saying that?
For me he also believes that they are attempting not to change decisions, either to back up their mates or to keep the stats high.
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Makes sense. Conflict of interest.
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posted on 4/11/19
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posted on 4/11/19
It's typical of the arrogance of the FA that they had to have their own version of VAR rather than just doing what everyone else is doing. There's such an arrogance that they know better than Johnny Foreigner.
posted on 4/11/19
Get rid of it. Its dreadful, football is the most popular sport in the world because of that pure emotion you get when your team scores. VAR is taking that away to the point you can't properly celebrate a goal now without wondering whether it will be disallowed. Added to the fact they can't even make the right calls. Alli yesterday, James the week before and plenty of others. Football was perfectly fine before the worst thing thats ever been brought in
posted on 4/11/19
The Dele Alli handball was as clear a plenty as you will likely see in a game of football, yet it took around 5 minutes to look at only to get the call wrong.
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I'd love to hear their reasoning. Even with VAR you only need one, max two frames to make that decision and yet it took so long. How? What were they doing all that time?
posted on 4/11/19
I hate it so much. Don't even celebrate when we score anymore (and that's a facking rarity )
posted on 4/11/19
The problem with VAR is that when you depend on one person's interpretation, you get disagreement but when you are then depending on how two people see something, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
There are some things that are down to reading of a situation which you cannot overturn. There are some things so tight, that you should not overturn. There are the clear and obvious which you must overturn.
Most of us are complaining about the wild discrepancies. How can VAR not give a penalty against Dele Alli? How can VAR disallow Arsenal's perfectly good goal last week? How can VAR give a foul on Deulofeu against Chelsea? How could they not give the clear one against Spurs a couple of weeks back? How can you say you can't go back more than one sequence of play but (and quite rightfully) disallow Chelsea's equaliser against Liverpool taking the game back more than two sequences?
Before, the ref would make an honest mistake (apart from Mike Dean who is just an as$hole in my opinion) and you'd feel hard done by for a few minutes. Now, VAR is stopping the game and making a complete mockery with some awful decisions.
posted on 4/11/19
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
posted on 4/11/19
I don't really see much of an issue with how it was used during the WC or CL though. As someone alluded to the PL had to 'adapted' it to the English game instead of looking what other competitions have done. I mean the same sport should have universal rules and universal ways of enforcing them, at least sports at the highest level.
posted on 4/11/19
I thought VAR was only meant to be used for clear and obvious errors? If so, why is every single decision/goal/moment of a game being checked, and why has the final say been taken away from the ref? Surely the VAR check should be initiated by the ref if he’s unsure? And he should then be allowed to check the pitch side monitor? It’s clear that Mike Riley and his cronies have told refs they’re not allowed to check the monitors and it honestly baffles me.
I personally think we should go to a tennis like system where each team/manager/captain gets 2 or 3 challenges per half. Because right now it’s destroying the game.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is technology in almost all sport now. Are you saying football is special?
Other sports have found ways to make technology work to their advantage and the same should happen in football IMOm
posted on 4/11/19
Once again the arrogance in the English game has led to them taking VAR, that worked in other countries and at the World Cup and put forward their own adaptation. First of all they decided not to implement it, when everybody else did last season and then decided they would do things differently.
They had advised referees not to look at the screen on the side. They have colluded to make incorrect calls correct, with evidence of video on Saturday of them moving lines and drawing diagonal lines instead of straight ones. They will then say that correct calls are in the high 90 percent. It appears to me that referees are trying to prove that they don't need VAR. If I'm not mistaken they didn't have a representative at the last World Cup, which shows how highly they're rated.
VAR is not the problem, how it is being used is the problem. Perhaps there should be a group of retired referees, independant from current referees, where they don't manipulate the lines, to make it appear correct.
I don't expect perfection, just fairness. Which is what VAR has brought everywhere else but the PL.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is technology in almost all sport now. Are you saying football is special?
Other sports have found ways to make technology work to their advantage and the same should happen in football IMOm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is unique yes. In tennis, every single shot has to objectively fall within the lines of the court. Not 10%, or 50% or even 99% - but all shots.
Football is a game of interpretation. This week alone should tell you that. You can’t apply a scientific blanket to the merits of intent / force etc.
posted on 4/11/19
Time for AI refs. It is still human error that is the issue so we need to get rid of humans and use robotic refs. Yet you humans blame VAR to take the attention away from your failure as a species.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is technology in almost all sport now. Are you saying football is special?
Other sports have found ways to make technology work to their advantage and the same should happen in football IMOm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is unique yes. In tennis, every single shot has to objectively fall within the lines of the court. Not 10%, or 50% or even 99% - but all shots.
Football is a game of interpretation. This week alone should tell you that. You can’t apply a scientific blanket to the merits of intent / force etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about Rugby and a gazillion other sports? Are they not sports of interpretation?
VAR is not purposed to "apply a scientific blanket to merits of intent/force". The same way it was down to the ref to decide these things before VAR, so it should be after VAR, only this time that same ref will have the benefit of a replay before deciding if there was intent or too much force etc.
The manner of implementation is giving different results and that's where the problem is.
posted on 4/11/19
VAR asks fans to abandon sportsmanship. You'd take a bad decision before because it's swings and roundabouts. Is that what we're seeing here? VAR should remove the doubt and help correct decisions be made. But judgment is still out on it. Would human error be more potable than it mistakes? I don't know. The full on rage against decisions shouldn't be lost and now we have that with a computer.
posted on 4/11/19
VAR asks fans to abandon sportsmanship. You'd take a bad decision before because it's swings and roundabouts. Is that what we're seeing here? VAR should remove the doubt and help correct decisions be made. But judgment is still out on it. Would human error be more potable than it mistakes? I don't know. The full on rage against decisions shouldn't be lost and now we have that with a computer.
posted on 4/11/19
Hackett, former boss of PGMOL, was on Talksport(I know but I really wanted to hear opinions on the offside) this morning stating what I said earlier - current refs should not be the VAR, it should be retired refs. What could be his reason for saying that?
For me he also believes that they are attempting not to change decisions, either to back up their mates or to keep the stats high.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 4 hours, 32 minutes ago
VAR asks fans to abandon sportsmanship. You'd take a bad decision before because it's swings and roundabouts. Is that what we're seeing here? VAR should remove the doubt and help correct decisions be made. But judgment is still out on it. Would human error be more potable than it mistakes? I don't know. The full on rage against decisions shouldn't be lost and now we have that with a computer.
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No, VAR us supposed to increase sportsmanship by getting more decisions correct and punishing players for diving rather than giving penalties and sending players off when it has been missed the first time.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Hackett, former boss of PGMOL, was on Talksport(I know but I really wanted to hear opinions on the offside) this morning stating what I said earlier - current refs should not be the VAR, it should be retired refs. What could be his reason for saying that?
For me he also believes that they are attempting not to change decisions, either to back up their mates or to keep the stats high.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Makes sense. Conflict of interest.
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