16bn

I’m not quite sure why you sighed.

I’m not disputing what you say, I’m just probing because what you say she does get does seem like a lot. I asked whether you think this is a typical example of what people get.

You are lumping me in with other posters. This is the first time I’ve responded to you, and all I did was ask some questions.

You say congrats to the government for paying so much to people in need. Is she in need? Why is she disclosing all of this to you? She has no children, is she still in employment? You say she is a former colleague, so I was wondering if she disclosed this to you while she was still a colleague of yours, hence she would have been receiving that amount while still earning a wage as a single person.

Don’t be so defensive towards me. I’m not robbing or whoever else you’re lumping me in with. I haven’t responded in a derogatory way (which robbing as done). All I’ve done is ask questions and probe a little more as to what her situation actually is in order to try and understand why she gets so much help from the government.

Sorry for signing and lumping you in with the other two posters. x

*sighing

No she’s not employed and yes she’s in need as she has little or no savings, rent obligations and no income. It’s not necessarily a tragic situation but this is also what this support is there for.

I think the reason why this sounds a lot is purely because it’s London rates.

The maximum for a 1 bed is £1280 per month (without children) whereas in the Wirral it is £400 per month for a 1 bed.

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 14 minutes ago
Well well well Robbing. I know for a fact that you’re wrong. A former colleague of mine gets her rent of £825 per month paid for and gets £400 per month allowance on top of that. Every month, without question. I’ve seen the online paperwork.

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Do you think that your anecdotal example is a typical example of what people get on UC? Because that sounds like an awful lot for an adult with no dependent children.

You refer to her as a former colleague. Is she a friend? Ie you’ve stayed in contact with her since she left your place of employment? Or did she disclose all this information to you (including paperwork) while she was actually still employed alongside you?

You also say she gets it every month, without question.

Without question? That it is automatically granted to her, no questions asked? Is that what is actually happening with her? Receiving UC “without question”?
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You can’t apply for or maintain UC “without question”.

There’s all the shat to go through to apply in the first place, then an obligation to report any changes in personal circumstances, and the list is as long as your arm.

You also have to make a bespoke ‘Claimant Commitment’, which is reviewed and updated continuously, must be adhered to, and normally includes preparing for and looking for work or a plan to increase earnings for those already working. For the unemployed deemed fit to work (basically ‘the unemployed’ under the current rules ) a minimum of 35 hours p/w jobseeking is expected.

Fail to meet your Claimant Commitment and you’re sanctioned (i.e. your UC payment is slashed). Sanctions differ depending on the crime, but refusal to accept a job offer, for example, regardless of the reason, gets you three months of up to 100% of your UC cut.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-sanctions-statistics-background-information-and-methodology/a

Does the amount she gets for rent from UC cover all her rent? I think you said it’s in the region of £850 (per month). That’s nothing in terms of private rental in London. You then said she gets £400 on top of that, so that does sound like the amount she gets in rent does cover all of her rent.

It is a lot, especially for a single person with no children. I’m not disputing your figures, but I don’t think your example here is a typical example of what people in general can expect from the government.

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Does the amount she gets for rent from UC cover all her rent? I think you said it’s in the region of £850 (per month). That’s nothing in terms of private rental in London. You then said she gets £400 on top of that, so that does sound like the amount she gets in rent does cover all of her rent.

It is a lot, especially for a single person with no children. I’m not disputing your figures, but I don’t think your example here is a typical example of what people in general can expect from the government.
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Yes it covers all her rent and it’s not a particularly great place size-wise specifically!

Each council set limits for 1,2, 3 beds etc, for that area of London that limit is £1280. The other example I used was Wirral and after a quick look on Rightmove and seeing various 1 bed flats asking £395 per month it’s also very doable.

In her borough two beds get around £1500 per month.

So it varies depending on which council whereby most people who needs this support can get suitable support. If someone is paying £1500pm on a 1 bed in London then purely on renting calculations to pass referencing I think it’s x3.3 which works out to be around a £60k salary so yeah people like that can end up caught by the system but I don’t see many people fighting for the £60k single earners.

Even if it doesn’t cover all of someone’s rent it probably covers 90%, 80% heck even 50% (that would put you in a £2500 per month 1 bedder so again I doubt they get much sympathy and I doubt that this is the majority of people needing Universal Credit).

UC covers a pretty carppy 1 bed in London and a pretty carppy 1 bed in the Wirral. So I see no reason why it isn’t a fair example.

This thread started with moaning at the government spending £4bn extra for 4 years because they refused to the school meals deal and Rashford had to pressure them.
It was then pointed out that we spend an awful lot on welfare in this country and have fantastic systems in place to help those in need.
I pointed out that you can get your rent paid for which was then disputed for several pages and here we are.


We get an awful lot in this country from the taxpayer and reading some people’s posts on here you really wouldn’t think you get anything at all.

https://theleftahead.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Red-Ross.jpg

I will change ‘without question’ to ‘without an expiration date’.

Sounds like half the board are claiming.