Yes, he was such a hero for your club, your fans not so long ago.
http://www.bluemanchester.com/media/galeria/79/2/1/6/7/t_manchester_city_match_day_31_manchester_city_vs_sunderland-2867612.jpg
Sure I don't defend his behaviour if it's true, but don't understand how this issue got blown up crazily in the media and on here, was covered more than football (the matches) itself, and how people even asking FIFA to ban him for years... (stoning ?) .. and fans showing hatred to him... ? Is it because of City?
My (counter) points:
+ [Rules] This incident at most and at first is an internal issue of Man City, their management. It's even not directly related to the fan or football regulation, neither civil/moral conducts towards fan or legality... It could be related to the contract and player relationship ("one player (just seemingly) did not agree with his manager", not so rare) , but unless City management cannot handle it and escalate, then why FIFA/UEFA or any externals need to jump in swiftly now ?
+ [Media] Let's compare to the incidents of Cantona kungfu kicking, of Rooney/Ronaldo... contract issues, of Rooney/etc's dirty words towards camera and TV audience while wearing the football shirts.... Why Tevez is worthy of being gotten rid of, banned ...etc more than the above names, either considering football or the disturbance ?
+ [Fan] Have you ever doubted Tevez's dedication, passion and his workrate as a footballer? His contributions to your club in the last 2 years, to bring City to the Champions League? Do you think Tevez really show disrespect directly to fan ?
+ [Professionalism] Note that even in this single incident (still under investigation), Tevez had been ready to play, had warmed up. So surely he had NOT intended to refuse to play at first, he did not go on strike at all from the beginning. There looked that some trigger (substitution, strategy...) caused his sudden refusal later (if any), of course it's childish and poor from him at that moment if he did that, but does it guarantee so much hatred from fan?
(If you cite the Tevez contract issues, of course Tevez is not a highly educated one, and with a big ego, so there needs to be some sympathy for him, but he does have the right to move (with a reason) right ? (he even said he's accepting a lower salary in S.A. just to move, however he's always showed his professionalism on the pitch whenever he played). Also, the fuss was more with the way City handled the issues, the complication with Joorabchian and how the British media exploited it.)
+ [Mancini] This is not only Tevez's fault, isn't it? Surely, this is a management issue, how Mancini manages the player relationship, with egos and the abundance of star players in his team, with his football tactics and how he transfers his ideas to players.... At the end, that suspected refusal to play from Tevez was more like due to a technical reason (or a confusion as Tevez tried to explain), than his commitment or his engineering to a move or disrespect to fan...etc.
Also, was Mancini really professional, and knew how to protect his club, when he publicly showed his anger toward Tevez in the interview right after the match? Was it also because he's so frustrated with a bad loss to his star-studded side that he just wanted to blame someone ?
We all heard rumours of a frictional relationship between Tevez and Mancini (and other issues in the team)... so did it not contribute to this Munich incident? How did Mancini hastily condemn Tevez publicly with all bad words directing at his own player, while Mancini normally tried to protect his beloved players (e.g. for Balotelli's bad conducts...) ?
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(Just to put some opinions, I'm feeling weird right now writing on this matter this long, but really it's nothing compared to the weird media reaction.)
Bringing down your once big hero, hash??
posted on 29/9/11
Do you find the coverage of this has been excessive?
posted on 29/9/11
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
"Then it's surely a communication issue for Mancini not to let Tevez understanding his role when putting him on the bench"
Are you being serious? Tevez understanding his role when being put on the bench should be obvious even to the most naive, most intellectually-challenged footballer...
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Esepcially given that he has been a sub for West Ham, Man Utd and Argentina. You'd think by now he'd understand the difference between being told to wamr up and being told to go n the pitch.
Besides, if you were in that position whereby Mancini had gestured to you and you weren't sure of what he was asking, wouldn't you just simply ask him to clarify?!
The guy is an idiot. I always thought he was a very thick individual (hence why Kia has such a hold over him, why he issues so many contradictory statements, and why he still can't speak English). Can't wait until he leaves.
posted on 29/9/11
there was no misunderstanding b4fun, tevez has been a sub many times for west ham, manchester united and city, he knows how it works.
Even his close friend Zabaleta has said that carlos just didnt want to play. The truth is tevez is very selfish person, he is only out for himself. he would have done the same thing to fergie, wenger or mourinho and i'm pretty sure they would have reacted in the same way as mancini. there is only one person to blame in this and its tevez! not city, not mancini, not his team mates! just tevez!
the media are all over this not because its city, its because its pretty unbelieavble that this happened! its sensational news. its different to the modric situation because you only have peoples word for it, you never saw the refusal. with tevez you did see it quite clearly. he admitted it himself, only to change his story the next day, when his lawyers advised him to.
and now it seems city have the backing from fifa as well on the matter, and rightly so! what sort of example does this set for others? if this is dealt with severly against tevez, then whats to stop other players following suit when they have a hissy fit because things arent going their way?
posted on 29/9/11
"Do you find the coverage of this has been excessive"
In a word, yes. But then, in the grand scheme of things, coverage of football overall is generally excessive.
It's certainly no more or less excessive than the Rooney incident last season, or the Terry-Bridge "scandal", to mention two obvious examples.
posted on 29/9/11
Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
Would I be right in thinking that you don't read the papers and your radio is permanently tuned to TalkShite?
posted on 29/9/11
Boris
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posted on 29/9/11
The whole Carlos Tevez affair is certainly starting to be I said the club said. The best thing to happen is that the press now give the club the time and the space to sort out exactly what happened and let the club conduct their own inqury in private.
I do hope that what ever decision is finially made it is for the best interests of football in general. If this comes down on Tevez's side then football clubs will be in real trouble, because then that means that this sort of thing will certainlly happen again if a player decides that he wants out of the club. All he has to do is to refuse to play and say the manager misunderstood what i said, and we will have the same problem again.
posted on 29/9/11
Personally I think Mancini was quite reserved in his reaction and during subsequent interviews.
I could envisage Mourinho and Fergie (at least a younger SAF) attempting to physically drag him off the bench, and send him inside, followed by a passionate angry outburst to the press.
Managers like Wenger and Dalglish might've remained calm, but people like Souness, George Graham, Clough, Warnock might have given Tevez a solid punch on the chin x
posted on 29/9/11
Could you imagine ol big head giving an interview after one of his players refusing to come on!!
posted on 29/9/11
Souness would've given him a Glasgow kiss and then had him dragged off by the ankles!
But I do worry that this could set a precedent for other wantaway players. FIFA need to monitor this one very carefully indeed, or we could end up with more players acting like this.