How many games do we give him?

The position? Is that league position?

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At the time, the club was in trouble, the fans were dienchanted with the football and hated the manager.

We were playing terrible football and our players were so low on confidence.

Yes we are in a bad position now but this is SIX games in, there is still plenty of time for OC to turn it around like he did last time.....

There was time for megson it was December yet he never got the time coyle is allowed. Players are low in confidence now. Megson had also turned it round after sammy Lee. Your right fans hated him. That's what got him sacked not performance. Cause if it was performance he was no worse than coyle.

Megson never got the time Coyle is allowed? Coyle hasn't been in the job for as long as Megson was yet, which makes all of this all the more ridiculous.

Taken from another article, just to show how Coyle has had better results than Megson:

Gary Smeg.

98 Games. 27 Wins. 26 Draws. 45 Defeats. 27.55 % Win Rate.

Super Owen

77 Games. 27 Wins. 15 Draws. 35 Defeats 35.06% Win Rate.

These are only facts though.

I've figured u out Petrover. There is only one poster who was SO outspoken and argumentative and was against OC becoming our manager was Boltwan1. It's you isn't it? Pro Megson boy! I thought I recognised your sentence construction! Pretending that you don't want OC out while all the while making sly underhand comments that he should be removed. Anyone who is in and around the club will vouch for how much good work OC does on limited resources! OC is here for the season so get over it and yourself and try writing something positive. You're in the minority throughout our club because we care more about the club to know how bad it can really get!

Wrong hate the guy. Glad he has gone! You called me stupid ha!

Ok well in response to the OP I'd like to say a few things.

One: Gary Megson had two and a hlaf years and a huge amount of money to play with. I was one of his most avid supporters when he joined us but over time with his negative tactics, poor man management skills, rotten PR abilities and poor results I turned against him. His comments about the fans being pathetic, defeat to other teams being a reality check (the home loss to fulham was THE most craven surrender I've ever seen in thirty five years of following the trotters) and then his blithe comment after a game against Villa. " We have to accept that other teams are going to win every ball, header, tackle, pass and run because they're just better than we are everywhere and any one who says different is wrong" coupled with his absolute refusal to admit any other view could have a shred of validity turned me against him. Owen has not been in the job anywhere near as long or had anything like the resources that Gary had.

Yes I agree that the record especially since the FA Cup Semi final is nowhere near good enough but others have pointed out the main reasons for this and I broadly agree so won't go over it again.

Now, how long do we give Owen Coyle? At least until December, preferably the whole season and a few more besides. It's just too easy to say 'sack the manager' when things look a bit bleak. May I point out that the most successful manager in the premiership by a country mile won absolutely NOTHING for three and a half years despite being in charge of one of football's richest and biggest clubs. The board in Salford kept faith with him and as they say the rest is history. Arsene Wenger at Arsenal has won nothing for SIX years and yet their board and a significant percentage of the fans are still behind him.

The fact is that Owen has nothing like the kind of resources those two have, nowhere near the personnel either. So rather than asking How long do we give Owen I actually wonder how long Owen will give us before he decides that working with next to no money and being slated for losing to the likes of Man U, Man C, L'Pool and Arsenal is simply not worth the hassle?

He can't be blamed for the constraints he works under and let's face it, the injury list would be bad at a top four club, here it's very close to catastrophic.

Time, money, support. Owen needs all three and I for one will give him all of the time and support he needs and spend my money following my beloved trotters and their very promising, positive, talented young manager and hopefully we will see them develop together.

LPP - the single best post on this forum for ages!!! Completely agree with everything you wrote! I just hope that some of the other lads start seeing things this way too and take the blinkers off ans see the bigger picture.

Holdsworth I agree lpp's article is good. Only thing I would query is coyles time in the job will be tied to relegation potential and nothing else. If it does become apparent that we could go down then will be the time to end it. Otherwise keep calm and carry on.

May I point out that the most successful manager in the premiership by a country mile won absolutely NOTHING for three and a half years despite being in charge of one of football's richest and biggest clubs. The board in Salford kept faith with him and as they say the rest is history. Arsene Wenger at Arsenal has won nothing for SIX years and yet their board and a significant percentage of the fans are still behind him.
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That's all well n' good ...but neither Man U or Arsenal were ever in mortal danger of being relegated from the Prem, so the analogies aren't accurate ...If they had looked like relegation certs ..... both those managers would have lost their jobs ......