Contentious issue I know. But rather than just leave this for the politicians to decide, thought the fans should have their say....why not say so here?
There are clearly very different personal perspectives here.....
1/ I want to go to Elland road but want to know I’ll be safe. If all who attend have had the vaccine, I’ll be safe. I have the right to be safe. So those who ‘choose’ not to vaccinate give up their right to attend
2/ No-one has the right to make me have a vaccine I don’t want
3/ I would take the vaccine but for medical reasons I can’t (or it doesn’t work well for me). Why should I be excluded?
Personally, I’m more in the last one.. a compromised immune system which means the vaccine might not work well for me, so if I wanted to go, I’d need the reassurance that the risk of transmission was extremely low, so I’d have to vote for vaccine passports.
Is there a solution here that could work for all?
Maybe some stands allocated that don’t need the passport, and some that that do?
Everyone will have a personal view... but if the Govt just left it to LUFC to decide, what the hell are they supposed to do ???
Covid passports for games?
posted on 3/4/21
And sorry Cinci I appreciate your opinion but I’d rather believe what scientists think is possible than what you think is possible
posted on 3/4/21
comment by Best Fans - ¡Leeds Carajo! (U2196)
posted 10 hours, 30 minutes ago
Personal viewpoint is vaccine passports in the short term once everyone has been offered one.
If you're anti vaccines, then sorry if this offends you, but you're wrong. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. It is like coming on here and arguing that the earth if flat or oxygen doesn't exist.
As poster above says, it does reduce transmission. So for any one truly exempt for medical reasons, it would be safer for them if everyone around has one.
Vaccine passports with people truly medically exempt (none of this mask nonsense where every other person is medically exempt) are allowed back in.
I want to get back to normal life, don't want to wait any longer than necessary because some facebook scientists base their opinions on memes.
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It's very bigoted to say somebody is an anti vaxxer because they chose not to have the covid vaccine, you're just a bigot.
posted on 4/4/21
OP here....
... as expected... a significant range of opinions.
So, to take it back to the question regarding LUFC... you’re running the business... and the Govt leaves it up to individual business to decide.... what do you do??
CinciWolf above says there’s no middle ground here.
Wouldn’t making half the stands ‘passport only’ and the other half no passports... why couldn’t this work?
posted on 4/4/21
OP
Segregation just seems like a bad idea. Football fans are already tribal enough without creating more separate groups. Plus it seems a bit arbitrary. You just know they'll all be mixing in the trains, buses, pubs before and after the game anyway.
The way I see it, either the local situation means that gatherings of people are safe or not. I'm not sure the idea of a covid passport is palatable for most people, and even if it were, I don't think it's the answer here. If you're dead against the vaccine this wouldn't convince you. It'd just create a black market of fakes to get into games etc. It'd be something else for the touts to sell.
posted on 4/4/21
Well reading the paper today it seems it’s not going to happen in pubs so I guess grounds will follow suit.
What’s the point if we can all mix in the pub before the game?
Best option is to let people decide on how they want to protect themselves. If I’ve had both jabs then I’ll feel quite safe. If I don’t feel safe I’ll social distance and/or wear my mask - whatever I can do. The last option is not to go where I feel there’s a risk.
I’ll continue to wash my hands anyway - especially after the bog. I’m always amazed how many blokes never wash their hands after holding their todger. It’s not rocket science.
posted on 4/4/21
"Boris Johnson has ditched plans to make customers show a vaccine passport when they go to pub in a huge boost for the industry.
The new “Covid status certification” scheme will only be applied to mass gatherings and indoor events like football matches and nightclubs."
So when is the covid passport active? Immediately after jab 1? Few weeks after jab 1? After Jab 2? Few weeks after jab 2? Will the vulnerable's passport run out very quickly to encourage them to take a 3rd booster jab in autumn? Suppose a passport will be pretty useless when we enter another lockdown
posted on 4/4/21
"indoor events like football matches"
Yeah ok Johnson. More utter bollox & confusion
posted on 4/4/21
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Well reading the paper today it seems it’s not going to happen in pubs so I guess grounds will follow suit.
What’s the point if we can all mix in the pub before the game?
Best option is to let people decide on how they want to protect themselves. If I’ve had both jabs then I’ll feel quite safe. If I don’t feel safe I’ll social distance and/or wear my mask - whatever I can do. The last option is not to go where I feel there’s a risk.
I’ll continue to wash my hands anyway - especially after the bog. I’m always amazed how many blokes never wash their hands after holding their todger. It’s not rocket science.
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Will you be able to all mix in the pub before the game? Would they not be operating some form of social distancing protocol, even if it is just for the last games of this season?
posted on 4/4/21
Let's look at this a different way.
LUFC does not impose vaccine passports. LUFC does not impose vaccines on their staff. Barstaff catch Covid while working at LUFC and dies. Family member then sues LUFC for breaching the health and safety of their child, leading to their death.
We live in a litigious society.
Bring this down to the level of the normal pub, the landlord of which does not have access to millions to pay the claimant.
This is a really tough position for businesses. It is only the Government that can decide, on our behalf, for the whole of society, whether we like their decision or not, whether we complain about the impact on our liberty or not.
I can choose to go to a nightclub or not - as long as I am over a certain age. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only go to certain clubs if I am a member. No membership? No entry. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only undertake certain financial dealings if I have proven categorically who I am and where I live and opened up my financial life to third parties. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only go on holiday if I pay £80+ for a passport and provide my details to the Government. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only drive a car on a public road if I have proven I have the skills, have a car MOT, have paid VED and I am insured. Restrictions are already in place.
I can not enter any public building if I am smoking. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only receive "free at the point of need" NHS ongoing care if I have an NHS number and the right to access that care (emergency care is different). Otherwise I have to pay for private health care. Restrictions are in place.
Of course I can still attempt to do these things despite these restrictions, but laws are in place where it is at my own risk of being caught.
The world has changed. Travelling by air or train or bus is now a danger. Socialising is now a danger. Not just to me, but by me possibly spreading the virus and inadvertently killing others.
Such restrictions will be in place for a long time. We would all love for life to "get back to the normal" of pre-Covid.
I just don't think that is going to happen.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by Long Short Tall 666 (U19233)
posted 29 minutes ago
Let's look at this a different way.
LUFC does not impose vaccine passports. LUFC does not impose vaccines on their staff. Barstaff catch Covid while working at LUFC and dies. Family member then sues LUFC for breaching the health and safety of their child, leading to their death.
We live in a litigious society.
Bring this down to the level of the normal pub, the landlord of which does not have access to millions to pay the claimant.
This is a really tough position for businesses. It is only the Government that can decide, on our behalf, for the whole of society, whether we like their decision or not, whether we complain about the impact on our liberty or not.
I can choose to go to a nightclub or not - as long as I am over a certain age. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only go to certain clubs if I am a member. No membership? No entry. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only undertake certain financial dealings if I have proven categorically who I am and where I live and opened up my financial life to third parties. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only go on holiday if I pay £80+ for a passport and provide my details to the Government. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only drive a car on a public road if I have proven I have the skills, have a car MOT, have paid VED and I am insured. Restrictions are already in place.
I can not enter any public building if I am smoking. Restrictions are already in place.
I can only receive "free at the point of need" NHS ongoing care if I have an NHS number and the right to access that care (emergency care is different). Otherwise I have to pay for private health care. Restrictions are in place.
Of course I can still attempt to do these things despite these restrictions, but laws are in place where it is at my own risk of being caught.
The world has changed. Travelling by air or train or bus is now a danger. Socialising is now a danger. Not just to me, but by me possibly spreading the virus and inadvertently killing others.
Such restrictions will be in place for a long time. We would all love for life to "get back to the normal" of pre-Covid.
I just don't think that is going to happen.
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I think that’s the Long, Short & Tall of it !
Sorry...couldn’t resist. But valid points, as have been made by many.
I think I posted this article when feeling a bit sorry for myself, having suddenly realised that the medication I’m on may significantly reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine on me personally. That means I have to readjust my risk decisions, which I turn means I need to be more careful than I had planned to be on my plans to return to a normality....e.g. going to a match. So naturally, for me, a world with high levels of Covid, but with all purportedly vaccine-protected from hospitalisation/death is a different kettle of fish to a world with less Covid around, so less need of the protection.
Clearly, this ain’t just about me. And I suppose it’s neither really about vaccine passports at all.
But if it does get proved that having the vaccine DOES reduced transmission, let’s all of us just hope that enough have the vaccine to slow that spread and give those of us who need it some hope to live a life.