vaccine dont protect u from getting or transmitting covid. it just reduces its severity if u get it.
vaccine passports r a stoopid idea
comment by 4zA (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
vaccine dont protect u from getting or transmitting covid. it just reduces its severity if u get it.
vaccine passports r a stoopid idea
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4zA... personally, I believe that the data so far suggests it does stop you from getting it, and is starting to suggest that transmission of those who’ve had the jab is reduced. But agree, not enough data to prove anything with certainty as yet.
But rather than argue something neither of us are experts in, the point is, if you ran LUFC as a business, with community responsibilities, do you take the attitude “come if you want, at your own risk” approach, or take the safety first approach and let in only those who have less potential to risk the safety of other attendees?
If you’re running a business you need to make a decision you think the majority of your clientele will agree with. It’s gonna be a tough time for all businesses trying to manage this issue.
My bro in law has had the vaccine (first jab) 2 months ago and today was positive with covid. You still get covid, it's just if you have vaccine then your body can fight it.
If you don't get the vaccine then you are opting out of society so tough shat if you can't go to games, travel or anything else.
comment by Cinciwolf---A top 20 brand in world football (U11551)
posted 0 seconds ago
If you don't get the vaccine then you are opting out of society so tough shat if you can't go to games, travel or anything else.
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Unless there is a legitimate reason for not having the vaccine of course though those circumstances are few.
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champio... (U1108)
posted 33 minutes ago
My bro in law has had the vaccine (first jab) 2 months ago and today was positive with covid. You still get covid, it's just if you have vaccine then your body can fight it.
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It's around 50% effective with 1 jab, 95% effective with 2.
.....at reducing the severity of symptoms
Immunity.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/moderna.html
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champio... (U1108)
posted 5 hours, 56 minutes ago
My bro in law has had the vaccine (first jab) 2 months ago and today was positive with covid. You still get covid, it's just if you have vaccine then your body can fight it.
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That pretty much sums up how vaccines work.
Some give 100% protection and some just help your body fight the infection and stop serious illness. In the latter they also allow herd immunity to flourish.
Not sure where we would be in a world without them.
In reply to the OP - it’s such a difficult decision for business to take as it’s sure to alienate a fair few customers whichever way they go.
Not sure I agree with vaccine passports. There are many legitimate cases whereby people will not be taking the vaccine.
For example pregnant women, should they be excluded because they choose not to take the risk while pregnant? Seems highly unethical to me.
Some people may not choose to take it for religious reasons (although very rare) so should they be excluded because of beliefs? Again, highly unethical.
I'll be taking it when offered no doubt as will most people I know but to exclude people from society who make the decision not to have it is a very very dangerous road to go down.
Also, nowhere you ever go is 'safe'. People need to get this ridiculous idea out of their heads.
Creating a two tiers society whereby you give certain people lesser rights based on a health status is always a good idea.
Logic dictates that vaccines should prevent transmission vs not being vaccinated. It reduces severity of symptoms, it will mean less aerosol producing actions aka a cough.
Logic also dictates that masks and social distancing should reduce spread, even if there is (or was) no clear high quality data. So find it odd when people are so militant on mask wearing but stick their feet in the ground for entertaining any idea that vaccines could reduce transmission. Like most other vaccines, it probably will to some extent. Fair enough if you want to wait for high quality and high population data to come out, but that takes time.
comment by 4zA (U22472)
posted 7 hours, 38 minutes ago
vaccine dont protect u from getting or transmitting covid. it just reduces its severity if u get it.
vaccine passports r a stoopid idea
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https://twitter.com/kizzyphd/status/1377332672842768384?s=21
I know pregnancy raises emotive issues, and essentially it’s all down to the women herself, both mother and child safety is propbaly enhanced by vaxpccination.
Evidence from non-clinical studies of the Pfizer BioNTech, Astra-Zeneca and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines has been reviewed by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and has raised no concerns about safety in pregnancy.
Evidence on COVID-19 vaccines has also been reviewed by the World Health Organization and the regulatory bodies in the US, Canada and Europe and has raised no concerns about safety in pregnancy.
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has recognised that the potential benefits of vaccination are particularly important for some pregnant women. This includes those who are at very high risk of catching the infection or those with clinical conditions that put them at high risk of suffering serious complications from COVID-19.
A large real world study by the CDC also found results suggesting the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine do prevent actual infection with SARS-CoV-2. Again, you could probably make a logical hypothesis on these results with the vaccine, but the fact that so much preliminary data supports this. I don’t know why some are so quick to make a very blunt and sweeping statement that ‘vaccines don’t reduce transmission’. I mean think of all the work gone into it and the data being collected and that is already out there, both in study conditions and real life data, what is known about how vaccines work. How can that be your conclusion at this point!
Personal viewpoint is vaccine passports in the short term once everyone has been offered one.
If you're anti vaccines, then sorry if this offends you, but you're wrong. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. It is like coming on here and arguing that the earth if flat or oxygen doesn't exist.
As poster above says, it does reduce transmission. So for any one truly exempt for medical reasons, it would be safer for them if everyone around has one.
Vaccine passports with people truly medically exempt (none of this mask nonsense where every other person is medically exempt) are allowed back in.
I want to get back to normal life, don't want to wait any longer than necessary because some facebook scientists base their opinions on memes.
I think vaccine passports should only be introduced when everyone has been offered their first. As a young (moderately) healthy person, it will probably be weeks/months before I get offered mine. Seems unfair that people in that boat should be kept isolated from societal activity because we happen to not have been offered one.
Looking forward to the MMR and TB vaccines being added to these passports. Probably should add the flu jab too. We need to make venues completely safe and implement segregation based on vaccine status.
It’s a conundrum, Lubo, because to be fair, which of course we all do, we would risk another virus spike, which in itself isn’t fair!
How do you judge how long it lasts though? Generally antibodies in a 60 year old + generated from a vaccine would last 3-4 months whereas a 20 year olds from a vaccine would last a year. Sometimes antibodies are hidden too via T-Cells. So what’s the tariff? Over 60’s vaccine passports last 3 months and younger people last 12 months? But even then every human body is different
Bit like the flu vaccine people still get the flu even with the vaccine
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
Looking forward to the MMR and TB vaccines being added to these passports. Probably should add the flu jab too. We need to make venues completely safe and implement segregation based on vaccine status.
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How can you add the flu vaccine when it only gets offered to over 50’s or key workers though?
I imagine after the hysteria has died down and we’ve used up all our surplus doses this year, from next year like with the flu only over 50’s or keyworkers will be offered the yearly covid vaccine like with the flu vaccine, I just don’t think it’s possible to give 60 million people a Covid vaccine and 25-30m people a flu vaccine over the course of August, September, October before winter for maximum protection. That would be 90 million jabs in a 12 week period. That’s 8-9m a week, isn’t possible logistically and that’s banking on the covid vaccine becoming 1 dose next year
Boxing in Gibraltar was quite strange last week, they only let spectators in that had been fully vaccinated (98% of Gibraltar have had both doses) and in addition they still had to do a negative rapid test on the day, but then they still had to wear masks, didn’t understand why they still had to wear masks (albeit after about 9pm and most were drunk you couldn’t see a single mask still above chin level) but strange anyway that they still required a mask
That’s one thing that annoys me, you have both jabs but still have to wear a mask or get fackin tested. Makes you wonder what the damn point is as we are getting no additional benefits or freedom
But yeh they might well hopefully lower what will be the yearly covid vaccine / booster to over 40’s from over 50’s. But I really can’t see them spending money on the infrastructure that would be needed or the vaccines cost every year to vaccinate non key worker under 40’s or under 40’s without underlying health conditions for covid every single year until the end of time. Too expensive & a logistical nightmare in reality for very little benefit to under 40’s
Erm, let me think.
There's more chance of being killed in a car accident than dying of Covid if you're under 60. Why would you risk taking an untested vaccine that is already seen to be causing death by blood clotting?
It's a real brain teaser isn't it?
WTAF is wrong with some sheeple.
Good point about the boosters. Next year will just be, as you said, certain workers and over 40s/50s.
But for now, getting everyone vaccinated stops the chain of infection, stops it mutating and circling around our population. Then it becomes like flu. Sadly people will die from it every year but it won't impact our lives as it is now.
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posted on 3/4/21
vaccine dont protect u from getting or transmitting covid. it just reduces its severity if u get it.
vaccine passports r a stoopid idea
posted on 3/4/21
comment by 4zA (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
vaccine dont protect u from getting or transmitting covid. it just reduces its severity if u get it.
vaccine passports r a stoopid idea
----------------------------------------------------------------------
4zA... personally, I believe that the data so far suggests it does stop you from getting it, and is starting to suggest that transmission of those who’ve had the jab is reduced. But agree, not enough data to prove anything with certainty as yet.
But rather than argue something neither of us are experts in, the point is, if you ran LUFC as a business, with community responsibilities, do you take the attitude “come if you want, at your own risk” approach, or take the safety first approach and let in only those who have less potential to risk the safety of other attendees?
If you’re running a business you need to make a decision you think the majority of your clientele will agree with. It’s gonna be a tough time for all businesses trying to manage this issue.
posted on 3/4/21
My bro in law has had the vaccine (first jab) 2 months ago and today was positive with covid. You still get covid, it's just if you have vaccine then your body can fight it.
posted on 3/4/21
If you don't get the vaccine then you are opting out of society so tough shat if you can't go to games, travel or anything else.
posted on 3/4/21
comment by Cinciwolf---A top 20 brand in world football (U11551)
posted 0 seconds ago
If you don't get the vaccine then you are opting out of society so tough shat if you can't go to games, travel or anything else.
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Unless there is a legitimate reason for not having the vaccine of course though those circumstances are few.
posted on 3/4/21
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champio... (U1108)
posted 33 minutes ago
My bro in law has had the vaccine (first jab) 2 months ago and today was positive with covid. You still get covid, it's just if you have vaccine then your body can fight it.
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It's around 50% effective with 1 jab, 95% effective with 2.
posted on 3/4/21
.....at reducing the severity of symptoms
posted on 3/4/21
Immunity.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/moderna.html
posted on 3/4/21
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champio... (U1108)
posted 5 hours, 56 minutes ago
My bro in law has had the vaccine (first jab) 2 months ago and today was positive with covid. You still get covid, it's just if you have vaccine then your body can fight it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That pretty much sums up how vaccines work.
Some give 100% protection and some just help your body fight the infection and stop serious illness. In the latter they also allow herd immunity to flourish.
Not sure where we would be in a world without them.
In reply to the OP - it’s such a difficult decision for business to take as it’s sure to alienate a fair few customers whichever way they go.
posted on 3/4/21
Not sure I agree with vaccine passports. There are many legitimate cases whereby people will not be taking the vaccine.
For example pregnant women, should they be excluded because they choose not to take the risk while pregnant? Seems highly unethical to me.
Some people may not choose to take it for religious reasons (although very rare) so should they be excluded because of beliefs? Again, highly unethical.
I'll be taking it when offered no doubt as will most people I know but to exclude people from society who make the decision not to have it is a very very dangerous road to go down.
Also, nowhere you ever go is 'safe'. People need to get this ridiculous idea out of their heads.
posted on 3/4/21
Creating a two tiers society whereby you give certain people lesser rights based on a health status is always a good idea.
posted on 3/4/21
Logic dictates that vaccines should prevent transmission vs not being vaccinated. It reduces severity of symptoms, it will mean less aerosol producing actions aka a cough.
Logic also dictates that masks and social distancing should reduce spread, even if there is (or was) no clear high quality data. So find it odd when people are so militant on mask wearing but stick their feet in the ground for entertaining any idea that vaccines could reduce transmission. Like most other vaccines, it probably will to some extent. Fair enough if you want to wait for high quality and high population data to come out, but that takes time.
posted on 3/4/21
comment by 4zA (U22472)
posted 7 hours, 38 minutes ago
vaccine dont protect u from getting or transmitting covid. it just reduces its severity if u get it.
vaccine passports r a stoopid idea
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https://twitter.com/kizzyphd/status/1377332672842768384?s=21
posted on 3/4/21
I know pregnancy raises emotive issues, and essentially it’s all down to the women herself, both mother and child safety is propbaly enhanced by vaxpccination.
Evidence from non-clinical studies of the Pfizer BioNTech, Astra-Zeneca and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines has been reviewed by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and has raised no concerns about safety in pregnancy.
Evidence on COVID-19 vaccines has also been reviewed by the World Health Organization and the regulatory bodies in the US, Canada and Europe and has raised no concerns about safety in pregnancy.
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has recognised that the potential benefits of vaccination are particularly important for some pregnant women. This includes those who are at very high risk of catching the infection or those with clinical conditions that put them at high risk of suffering serious complications from COVID-19.
posted on 3/4/21
A large real world study by the CDC also found results suggesting the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine do prevent actual infection with SARS-CoV-2. Again, you could probably make a logical hypothesis on these results with the vaccine, but the fact that so much preliminary data supports this. I don’t know why some are so quick to make a very blunt and sweeping statement that ‘vaccines don’t reduce transmission’. I mean think of all the work gone into it and the data being collected and that is already out there, both in study conditions and real life data, what is known about how vaccines work. How can that be your conclusion at this point!
posted on 3/4/21
Personal viewpoint is vaccine passports in the short term once everyone has been offered one.
If you're anti vaccines, then sorry if this offends you, but you're wrong. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. It is like coming on here and arguing that the earth if flat or oxygen doesn't exist.
As poster above says, it does reduce transmission. So for any one truly exempt for medical reasons, it would be safer for them if everyone around has one.
Vaccine passports with people truly medically exempt (none of this mask nonsense where every other person is medically exempt) are allowed back in.
I want to get back to normal life, don't want to wait any longer than necessary because some facebook scientists base their opinions on memes.
posted on 3/4/21
I think vaccine passports should only be introduced when everyone has been offered their first. As a young (moderately) healthy person, it will probably be weeks/months before I get offered mine. Seems unfair that people in that boat should be kept isolated from societal activity because we happen to not have been offered one.
posted on 3/4/21
Looking forward to the MMR and TB vaccines being added to these passports. Probably should add the flu jab too. We need to make venues completely safe and implement segregation based on vaccine status.
posted on 3/4/21
It’s a conundrum, Lubo, because to be fair, which of course we all do, we would risk another virus spike, which in itself isn’t fair!
posted on 3/4/21
How do you judge how long it lasts though? Generally antibodies in a 60 year old + generated from a vaccine would last 3-4 months whereas a 20 year olds from a vaccine would last a year. Sometimes antibodies are hidden too via T-Cells. So what’s the tariff? Over 60’s vaccine passports last 3 months and younger people last 12 months? But even then every human body is different
Bit like the flu vaccine people still get the flu even with the vaccine
posted on 3/4/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
Looking forward to the MMR and TB vaccines being added to these passports. Probably should add the flu jab too. We need to make venues completely safe and implement segregation based on vaccine status.
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How can you add the flu vaccine when it only gets offered to over 50’s or key workers though?
posted on 3/4/21
I imagine after the hysteria has died down and we’ve used up all our surplus doses this year, from next year like with the flu only over 50’s or keyworkers will be offered the yearly covid vaccine like with the flu vaccine, I just don’t think it’s possible to give 60 million people a Covid vaccine and 25-30m people a flu vaccine over the course of August, September, October before winter for maximum protection. That would be 90 million jabs in a 12 week period. That’s 8-9m a week, isn’t possible logistically and that’s banking on the covid vaccine becoming 1 dose next year
posted on 3/4/21
Boxing in Gibraltar was quite strange last week, they only let spectators in that had been fully vaccinated (98% of Gibraltar have had both doses) and in addition they still had to do a negative rapid test on the day, but then they still had to wear masks, didn’t understand why they still had to wear masks (albeit after about 9pm and most were drunk you couldn’t see a single mask still above chin level) but strange anyway that they still required a mask
That’s one thing that annoys me, you have both jabs but still have to wear a mask or get fackin tested. Makes you wonder what the damn point is as we are getting no additional benefits or freedom
But yeh they might well hopefully lower what will be the yearly covid vaccine / booster to over 40’s from over 50’s. But I really can’t see them spending money on the infrastructure that would be needed or the vaccines cost every year to vaccinate non key worker under 40’s or under 40’s without underlying health conditions for covid every single year until the end of time. Too expensive & a logistical nightmare in reality for very little benefit to under 40’s
posted on 3/4/21
Erm, let me think.
There's more chance of being killed in a car accident than dying of Covid if you're under 60. Why would you risk taking an untested vaccine that is already seen to be causing death by blood clotting?
It's a real brain teaser isn't it?
WTAF is wrong with some sheeple.
posted on 3/4/21
Good point about the boosters. Next year will just be, as you said, certain workers and over 40s/50s.
But for now, getting everyone vaccinated stops the chain of infection, stops it mutating and circling around our population. Then it becomes like flu. Sadly people will die from it every year but it won't impact our lives as it is now.
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