Take a look at these quotes from Kevin De Bruyne discussing the meeting he had with Jose that sparked the end of his time at Stamford Bridge.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-mourinho-de-bruyne-manchester-city-six-words-b922595.html
Here's an extract...
"Jose called me into his office in December, and it was probably the second big life-changing moment for me. He had some papers in front of him, and he said, 'One assist. Zero goals. Ten recoveries'."
"It took me a minute to understand what he was doing. Then he started reading the stats of the other attacking forwards - Willian, Oscar, [Juan] Mata, [Andre] Schurrle. And it's like - five goals, 10 assists, whatever.
"Jose was just kind of waiting for me to say something, and finally I said, 'But... some of these guys have played 15, 20 games. I've only played three. So it's going to be different, no?'
"It was so strange. I was completely honest. I said, 'I feel like the club doesn't really want me here. I want to play football. I'd rather you sell me.'"
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Now I know it's very easy in hindsight to sit here and say that he cast aside the best midfielder in the world but that's a lazy attempt at exposing Jose. It's been said before so it's pointless repeating it. He wasn't the player he is now back then.
I'm more interested in his man-management methods. That type of meeting is all too familiar to us having watched the All Or Nothing documentary and that could have easily been the transcript from any discussion Jose's had with Alli, for example. I just don't see how you get the best out of anyone if you begin the meeting by explaining how terrible you've been compared to everyone else. You're labelled a nuisance. A problem that needs shifting. Your attitude gets questioned. In truth, more and more these days, players need to be told how great they are or can be. Jose's methods appear to be 'put the player down and wait for him to get up on his own' whereas that meeting with De Bruyne could have been punctuated at the end with "you're numbers are lower than every other midfielder in the squad but you have the ability to outshine all of them twice over". Where is the element of faith alongside the brutality?
Even Alex Ferguson (of supposedly a different era) used to blast players but would pull them aside and say stuff like "I'm not playing you in the Champions League next week because we desperately need you fit and firing against Stoke at the weekend". You're dropped for the big game but in one line you feel 10 foot tall. You come away thinking "the gaffer really needs me for the Stoke game" That's how you do it. Jose has the hard line without the faith. That's where he falls down.
That De Bruyne exchange also feels more like a command without any plan for how his numbers can increase. I get that you can criticise some people and they will have an in-built fear that makes them try harder but for some it requires specific coaching methods to achieve it. I'm not saying Jose doesn't teach the specifics but I get the impression there's little in the way of help regarding solving those issues. Look at Ancelotti's approach with Calvert Lewin. He could have said "your numbers up front are terrible" but he coached him to behave and move like Inzaghi to be in and around the areas to get more goals. His stats then went through the roof.
If Jose is hellbent on criticising players publicly and privately, he needs to also have the tools to manage and coach those issues out of them. That's where his methods fall down for me. He can foster a winning mentality in finished articles like Kane but I don't think he can take players and improve them. Exceptions sure, but not the rule. For every Ndombele, there are about 50 Dele Alli's.
The outdated man-management of Jose
posted on 7/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 56 minutes ago
Yes. I’m sure a manager who has won 26 trophies hasn’t got a clue when it comes to man management
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Ouch
Just to remind everybody Jose has won
Eight league titles
Four domestic FA Cups
Six domestic League Cups
Two Champions Leagues
Two UEFA/Europa Leagues
in four different countries, with five different clusbs
but, but Jose cannot man manage players.
Honestly our supporters, and others are hilarious at times.
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If he was anywhere near the manager he was when he won those cups do you really hand on heart believe he'd be with us? That should tell you something.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by Ebeneezer (U1397)
posted 5 minutes ago
no matter what manager is at the club they are destined to fail with our fanbase
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I don`t think you are far wrong fella. Let`s hope no manager ever fails though. We all want Spurs to do well.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 56 minutes ago
Yes. I’m sure a manager who has won 26 trophies hasn’t got a clue when it comes to man management
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Ouch
Just to remind everybody Jose has won
Eight league titles
Four domestic FA Cups
Six domestic League Cups
Two Champions Leagues
Two UEFA/Europa Leagues
in four different countries, with five different clusbs
but, but Jose cannot man manage players.
Honestly our supporters, and others are hilarious at times.
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If he was anywhere near the manager he was when he won those cups do you really hand on heart believe he'd be with us? That should tell you something.
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Why not? Poch was, and he had won nothing, but apparently is the best manager ever. Jose obviously being only the second best manager ever jumped at the chance to manage Spurs.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by Islington Spur (U18857)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Chelsea literally won the league the following season. Does this not justify selling De Bruyne? Maybe Jose just didn't think KDB was right for his set up.
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It's a good point. While this obviously upset de Bruyne his methods worked for the rest of the squad. It's easy too simplistic to say he's a bad manager because of one incident in private where a player got offended.
Though it does seem to be increasingly apparent that his man management skills are not working with us. And that's the bottom line here. If our players don't like being called out for not performing it doesn't matter how right he is, it won't get the reaction he wants.
posted on 7/4/21
^way too
posted on 7/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku, Luiz, Romeu, Filipe Luis are the players rejected by Mourinho who came good afterwards: each of them won a trophy or reached the ECL Semis and better , with their new teams.
One mistake is forgivable but on the basis of this evidence OP is spot on.
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Jose should be labelled a genius that he was able to move that many decent players on, and still win multiple trophies.
Jose
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posted on 7/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 56 minutes ago
Yes. I’m sure a manager who has won 26 trophies hasn’t got a clue when it comes to man management
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ouch
Just to remind everybody Jose has won
Eight league titles
Four domestic FA Cups
Six domestic League Cups
Two Champions Leagues
Two UEFA/Europa Leagues
in four different countries, with five different clusbs
but, but Jose cannot man manage players.
Honestly our supporters, and others are hilarious at times.
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If he was anywhere near the manager he was when he won those cups do you really hand on heart believe he'd be with us? That should tell you something.
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Why not? Poch was, and he had won nothing, but apparently is the best manager ever. Jose obviously being only the second best manager ever jumped at the chance to manage Spurs.
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Poch was climbing up the hill whilst Jose was tumbling down it. Big difference.
posted on 8/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 18 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku, Luiz, Romeu, Filipe Luis are the players rejected by Mourinho who came good afterwards: each of them won a trophy or reached the ECL Semis and better , with their new teams.
One mistake is forgivable but on the basis of this evidence OP is spot on.
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Jose should be labelled a genius that he was able to move that many decent players on, and still win multiple trophies.
Jose
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Who by comparison has even been able to spend the ludicrous sums Jose spent at most them clubs? No one.
He spent obscene sums at Chelsea before FFP was really a thing. It was comical what they spent each window. At real he spent in the same way. Did the same at United too.
Jose wins trophies if he can buy whatever he wants. And even then as many have pointed out before, he always manages to waste some of the best players in the world by not identifying their true quality.
Give me a hundreds of millions to spend and some of the world's best squads and I'd win trophies I'm sure.
He isn't great in the transfer market with a fixed budget and doesn't work miracles. That's obvious. He always manages to pi55 off half his squad in 2-3 years too which is far more consistent than his trophy hauls.
posted on 10/4/21
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 days, 2 hours ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 18 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku, Luiz, Romeu, Filipe Luis are the players rejected by Mourinho who came good afterwards: each of them won a trophy or reached the ECL Semis and better , with their new teams.
One mistake is forgivable but on the basis of this evidence OP is spot on.
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Jose should be labelled a genius that he was able to move that many decent players on, and still win multiple trophies.
Jose
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Who by comparison has even been able to spend the ludicrous sums Jose spent at most them clubs? No one.
He spent obscene sums at Chelsea before FFP was really a thing. It was comical what they spent each window. At real he spent in the same way. Did the same at United too.
Jose wins trophies if he can buy whatever he wants. And even then as many have pointed out before, he always manages to waste some of the best players in the world by not identifying their true quality.
Give me a hundreds of millions to spend and some of the world's best squads and I'd win trophies I'm sure.
He isn't great in the transfer market with a fixed budget and doesn't work miracles. That's obvious. He always manages to pi55 off half his squad in 2-3 years too which is far more consistent than his trophy hauls.
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Lol, Pep has blown Jose out of the water for spending.
posted on 10/5/21
Sharticle