I’m very angry at this man. First of all why the feck would you put a 19 yr old kid to take the 5th and decisive penalty? I don’t care how good they are, this sort of thing is far too risky to damage the player mentally. Now Saka seems like a mentally tough guy, but God knows how he’s going to comeback from this. This is how players are ruined. Also shame on the other senior players who refused.
Second of all Southgate negative tactics which I, and many others have pointed out, lost us this final. He was waiting to get Rashford and Sancho on for the last min because he was planning on penalties as soon as Italy got their equaliser. He never intended to see the game out before the penalty shootout.
I’m not saying he should be sacked, what he’s achieved from 2018 to now is remarkable given England’s history. But England had the chance and threw it away. Once Italy got going, there was no stopping them. Mancini reacted, Southgate didn’t.
One final thing…
The instant racist abuse Sake, Rashford and Sancho received on social media seems to me that there is an organisation out there coordinating racial messages. It’s too perfectly synced and spammed at once not to be.
Southgate
posted on 12/7/21
How much credit does Southgate get to take for "bringing the players together" and "ending club division in the squad" because these are the usual claims made whenever he's criticized.
I admit players look a lot less cliquey nowadays, but that seems to be irrelevant of England.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 minutes ago
How much credit does Southgate get to take for "bringing the players together" and "ending club division in the squad" because these are the usual claims made whenever he's criticized.
I admit players look a lot less cliquey nowadays, but that seems to be irrelevant of England.
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A ton. This group may be our most talented in a very long time, but it is nowhere near its peak. The Golden Generation never made a final, let alone come within a couple of kicks of winning one.
Southgate is genuinely a very good manager and one very well suited to the international game. He made some calls wrong yesterday, imo, but some people here don't see the ones he got right.
posted on 12/7/21
He made bad calls during the Denmark game,he could've killed them off but didn't, it took a dive and penalty to win the game. He's too negative
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 minutes ago
How much credit does Southgate get to take for "bringing the players together" and "ending club division in the squad" because these are the usual claims made whenever he's criticized.
I admit players look a lot less cliquey nowadays, but that seems to be irrelevant of England.
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A ton. This group may be our most talented in a very long time, but it is nowhere near its peak. The Golden Generation never made a final, let alone come within a couple of kicks of winning one.
Southgate is genuinely a very good manager and one very well suited to the international game. He made some calls wrong yesterday, imo, but some people here don't see the ones he got right.
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Because the things he got wrong here mean NONE of those other calls matter. Yesterday's wrong calls were complete no brainer, plain as day BASICS. Nobody's first kick of a game should be in the penalty shootout. Then he gives them the most insane order which sees his two most experienced players taking the two least pressure pens and the potential clutch decider penalty responsibility and pressure heaped on to the shoulders of a 19 yr old kid who's never taken an international pen in his life.
Southgate's own memories should have guaranteed he never put Saka in that position by having that order and he should also remember enough about playing to know that if he wanted Sancho and Rashford taking pens, he needed to get them on 10 mins before the end to at least get a few touches and loosen up first. GS is no 1st season rookie and these sorts of bad calls still being made this far into his career say to me he isn't the one to bring it home.
That said there's no point sacking him yet though with only the one year to the WC thx to Covid. Time for him to be put on notice with a straight and simple "If you don't win the World Cup, ya fired!" That is fair after this feck up and taking into account the fact if it was 2 years until WC then he should be getting sacked now.
posted on 12/7/21
Spot on mate, Southgate was naive of not useless in his game decision making its borderline amateurish.
He should have removed Kane for Calvin-Lewin, Kane looked spent whole extra time.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
The instant racist abuse Sake, Rashford and Sancho received on social media seems to me that there is an organisation out there coordinating racial messages. It’s too perfectly synced and spammed at once not to be.
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UK government should organise and get rid of this. Ban facking twitter until they get their shiiiit in order.
It is not that hard for twitter to implement a bot to screen messages and block anything racist and ban everyone who does. Governments need to force them to do it. You cant hide behind freedom of speech forever if this continues to be a problem.
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posted on 12/7/21
WB2
As tempting as it is, no point to sack Southgate. He’s track records in tournament is actually pretty amazing. He’s done something no England manager has done since 66. His obvious weaknesses are his in game tactical management which is quite poor if it means England are to take the initiative and attack. He’s much better when England are the clear underdogs.
He should’ve learn from Croatia in 2018, he didn’t. Will he learn from this?
posted on 12/7/21
Southgate doesn't know how to utilise his squad, Mancini does.
Too scared to make subs.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Oldie@Ride🪑or Die (U21751)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
The instant racist abuse Sake, Rashford and Sancho received on social media seems to me that there is an organisation out there coordinating racial messages. It’s too perfectly synced and spammed at once not to be.
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UK government should organise and get rid of this. Ban facking twitter until they get their shiiiit in order.
It is not that hard for twitter to implement a bot to screen messages and block anything racist and ban everyone who does. Governments need to force them to do it. You cant hide behind freedom of speech forever if this continues to be a problem.
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They should and they can, problem is all parties are far far too busy getting themselves paid hand over fist off the advertising revenue generated by everyone clicking away to write share and argue over these vile tweets.
They're making ridiculous amounts of money off of people being able to do this. Plus from a political point of view, if they're ranting about some controversial sh !t on twitter then "Well hey they're not paying attention to me feckin up the country and rinsing them for every penny are they. So it's good times."
A big fact distraction which literally pays them piles of extra money whilst keeping the masses so distracted and busy fighting among themselves, they fail to notice the gargantuan piles of money the s already stole in the first place
Stop what? They ain't gonna stop a damned thing because bar someone's own carelessness causing a "Busted lipsin ya PA vid goes viral" scenario this god awful SM climate we live in is a big fat WINNER for them
posted on 12/7/21
comment by 50 trust the process (U1147)
posted 38 minutes ago
WB2
As tempting as it is, no point to sack Southgate. He’s track records in tournament is actually pretty amazing. He’s done something no England manager has done since 66. His obvious weaknesses are his in game tactical management which is quite poor if it means England are to take the initiative and attack. He’s much better when England are the clear underdogs.
He should’ve learn from Croatia in 2018, he didn’t. Will he learn from this?
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That's why I said WC or bust for him. The single year makes it just plain impractical to do it beforehand. But the nature of this year and the last WC mean that come next years WC Southgate will have no fig leaf left to hide behind if he doesn't win it or at least come damned close being beaten only by the opposition, not by his own lack of action or a player's poor discipline (as stupid pens are).
Basically he's had the time in the job, he's got the team good enough and he's got two "Got it wrong and paid the price" tournaments under his and the team's belts to go with it. Times up and if he can't win the WC or come close next year, with all that behind him then he isn't going to ever win it or the Euros so there's no point keeping him in the job past that. 3 failures is more than enough and plenty more than some England managers have had.