Saka
Gotta get right behind this guy in 21/22. So much talent, so much character. What a guy to step up and take that penalty at 19 years old
What Southgate's done is not that remarkable given the way things have panned out for him. I mean he's done well in galvanising a team, setting it up to look pretty solid defensively. Other than that he's done about as well as he should be expected to do, given the draws, playing at home, and a group of talented players perhaps up there with the Golden Generation for talent and potential.
Agree with the OP and also Southgate's bizarre treatment of Grealish by continually omitting him from the first team and giving him crumbs in the way of meaningful appearances for England.
This has nearly destroyed the confidence of one of England's most naturally gifted players, every club supporter recognises his talent and would love him in their side and would get into any other international side's starting 11.
You need your best players on the pitch and Grealish is without doubt better than many players who spent a lot of time on the pitch v Italy and achieved nothing
Southgate was hailed as some kind of genius for subbing him off v Denmark but the game would still of been seen out easily anyway
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Time for Southgate to get the Axe now, enough with this penalty misser sympathy from the press/public keeping him in his job. The fact he himself has missed a penalty in a international shootout himself means the one thing above all else he should have had those players ready for is to score 5 of 5.
Why he was taking volunteer names I don't know, stuff that you're the manager and it's critically important, you don't just sit by and let senior leader players bottle job the pressure off onto baby shoulders. Grow a pair as the manager, call em out on it and tell them to grow a pair as a leader player, go practice their pens and then you set the order. If they don't wanna take a pen then GO WIN THE FECKIN GAME and they won't have to.
The Artetaball all the way through was bad enough but for him to let a shootout go so spectacularly wrong given his own history is just unforgivable
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The instant racist abuse Sake, Rashford and Sancho received on social media seems to me that there is an organisation out there coordinating racial messages. It’s too perfectly synced and spammed at once not to be.
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UK government should organise and get rid of this. Ban facking twitter until they get their shiiiit in order.
It is not that hard for twitter to implement a bot to screen messages and block anything racist and ban everyone who does. Governments need to force them to do it. You cant hide behind freedom of speech forever if this continues to be a problem.
Saka will be fine. Look at the love he's getting.
Why do players have sm accounts when they know this is how it goes?
And before anyone bleats about civil liberties players are careful where they go out of an evening and who with for the same reasons - it can be inviting trouble. Ditto leaving their property unguarded whilst being away on match duty. Not right but a fact.
Even the usually deadeye Jorginho missed his penalty. Anyone can in those circumstances. The pressure is insane. I was shaking just watching from my home.
Southgate got most of his big calls wrong on the biggest night of all. Sitting back all game when Italy looked like they were rocking a bit after 15 mins was the dumbest thing he could have done.
How much credit does Southgate get to take for "bringing the players together" and "ending club division in the squad" because these are the usual claims made whenever he's criticized.
I admit players look a lot less cliquey nowadays, but that seems to be irrelevant of England.
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 minutes ago
How much credit does Southgate get to take for "bringing the players together" and "ending club division in the squad" because these are the usual claims made whenever he's criticized.
I admit players look a lot less cliquey nowadays, but that seems to be irrelevant of England.
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A ton. This group may be our most talented in a very long time, but it is nowhere near its peak. The Golden Generation never made a final, let alone come within a couple of kicks of winning one.
Southgate is genuinely a very good manager and one very well suited to the international game. He made some calls wrong yesterday, imo, but some people here don't see the ones he got right.
He made bad calls during the Denmark game,he could've killed them off but didn't, it took a dive and penalty to win the game. He's too negative
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 minutes ago
How much credit does Southgate get to take for "bringing the players together" and "ending club division in the squad" because these are the usual claims made whenever he's criticized.
I admit players look a lot less cliquey nowadays, but that seems to be irrelevant of England.
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A ton. This group may be our most talented in a very long time, but it is nowhere near its peak. The Golden Generation never made a final, let alone come within a couple of kicks of winning one.
Southgate is genuinely a very good manager and one very well suited to the international game. He made some calls wrong yesterday, imo, but some people here don't see the ones he got right.
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Because the things he got wrong here mean NONE of those other calls matter. Yesterday's wrong calls were complete no brainer, plain as day BASICS. Nobody's first kick of a game should be in the penalty shootout. Then he gives them the most insane order which sees his two most experienced players taking the two least pressure pens and the potential clutch decider penalty responsibility and pressure heaped on to the shoulders of a 19 yr old kid who's never taken an international pen in his life.
Southgate's own memories should have guaranteed he never put Saka in that position by having that order and he should also remember enough about playing to know that if he wanted Sancho and Rashford taking pens, he needed to get them on 10 mins before the end to at least get a few touches and loosen up first. GS is no 1st season rookie and these sorts of bad calls still being made this far into his career say to me he isn't the one to bring it home.
That said there's no point sacking him yet though with only the one year to the WC thx to Covid. Time for him to be put on notice with a straight and simple "If you don't win the World Cup, ya fired!" That is fair after this feck up and taking into account the fact if it was 2 years until WC then he should be getting sacked now.
Spot on mate, Southgate was naive of not useless in his game decision making its borderline amateurish.
He should have removed Kane for Calvin-Lewin, Kane looked spent whole extra time.
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
The instant racist abuse Sake, Rashford and Sancho received on social media seems to me that there is an organisation out there coordinating racial messages. It’s too perfectly synced and spammed at once not to be.
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UK government should organise and get rid of this. Ban facking twitter until they get their shiiiit in order.
It is not that hard for twitter to implement a bot to screen messages and block anything racist and ban everyone who does. Governments need to force them to do it. You cant hide behind freedom of speech forever if this continues to be a problem.
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WB2
As tempting as it is, no point to sack Southgate. He’s track records in tournament is actually pretty amazing. He’s done something no England manager has done since 66. His obvious weaknesses are his in game tactical management which is quite poor if it means England are to take the initiative and attack. He’s much better when England are the clear underdogs.
He should’ve learn from Croatia in 2018, he didn’t. Will he learn from this?
Southgate doesn't know how to utilise his squad, Mancini does.
Too scared to make subs.
comment by Oldie@Ride🪑or Die (U21751)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
The instant racist abuse Sake, Rashford and Sancho received on social media seems to me that there is an organisation out there coordinating racial messages. It’s too perfectly synced and spammed at once not to be.
---------------------------------
UK government should organise and get rid of this. Ban facking twitter until they get their shiiiit in order.
It is not that hard for twitter to implement a bot to screen messages and block anything racist and ban everyone who does. Governments need to force them to do it. You cant hide behind freedom of speech forever if this continues to be a problem.
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They should and they can, problem is all parties are far far too busy getting themselves paid hand over fist off the advertising revenue generated by everyone clicking away to write share and argue over these vile tweets.
They're making ridiculous amounts of money off of people being able to do this. Plus from a political point of view, if they're ranting about some controversial sh !t on twitter then "Well hey they're not paying attention to me feckin up the country and rinsing them for every penny are they. So it's good times."
A big fact distraction which literally pays them piles of extra money whilst keeping the masses so distracted and busy fighting among themselves, they fail to notice the gargantuan piles of money the s already stole in the first place
Stop what? They ain't gonna stop a damned thing because bar someone's own carelessness causing a "Busted lipsin ya PA vid goes viral" scenario this god awful SM climate we live in is a big fat WINNER for them
comment by 50 trust the process (U1147)
posted 38 minutes ago
WB2
As tempting as it is, no point to sack Southgate. He’s track records in tournament is actually pretty amazing. He’s done something no England manager has done since 66. His obvious weaknesses are his in game tactical management which is quite poor if it means England are to take the initiative and attack. He’s much better when England are the clear underdogs.
He should’ve learn from Croatia in 2018, he didn’t. Will he learn from this?
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That's why I said WC or bust for him. The single year makes it just plain impractical to do it beforehand. But the nature of this year and the last WC mean that come next years WC Southgate will have no fig leaf left to hide behind if he doesn't win it or at least come damned close being beaten only by the opposition, not by his own lack of action or a player's poor discipline (as stupid pens are).
Basically he's had the time in the job, he's got the team good enough and he's got two "Got it wrong and paid the price" tournaments under his and the team's belts to go with it. Times up and if he can't win the WC or come close next year, with all that behind him then he isn't going to ever win it or the Euros so there's no point keeping him in the job past that. 3 failures is more than enough and plenty more than some England managers have had.
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posted on 12/7/21
Saka
Gotta get right behind this guy in 21/22. So much talent, so much character. What a guy to step up and take that penalty at 19 years old
posted on 12/7/21
What Southgate's done is not that remarkable given the way things have panned out for him. I mean he's done well in galvanising a team, setting it up to look pretty solid defensively. Other than that he's done about as well as he should be expected to do, given the draws, playing at home, and a group of talented players perhaps up there with the Golden Generation for talent and potential.
posted on 12/7/21
Agree with the OP and also Southgate's bizarre treatment of Grealish by continually omitting him from the first team and giving him crumbs in the way of meaningful appearances for England.
This has nearly destroyed the confidence of one of England's most naturally gifted players, every club supporter recognises his talent and would love him in their side and would get into any other international side's starting 11.
posted on 12/7/21
You need your best players on the pitch and Grealish is without doubt better than many players who spent a lot of time on the pitch v Italy and achieved nothing
Southgate was hailed as some kind of genius for subbing him off v Denmark but the game would still of been seen out easily anyway
posted on 12/7/21
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posted on 12/7/21
Time for Southgate to get the Axe now, enough with this penalty misser sympathy from the press/public keeping him in his job. The fact he himself has missed a penalty in a international shootout himself means the one thing above all else he should have had those players ready for is to score 5 of 5.
Why he was taking volunteer names I don't know, stuff that you're the manager and it's critically important, you don't just sit by and let senior leader players bottle job the pressure off onto baby shoulders. Grow a pair as the manager, call em out on it and tell them to grow a pair as a leader player, go practice their pens and then you set the order. If they don't wanna take a pen then GO WIN THE FECKIN GAME and they won't have to.
The Artetaball all the way through was bad enough but for him to let a shootout go so spectacularly wrong given his own history is just unforgivable
posted on 12/7/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 12/7/21
The instant racist abuse Sake, Rashford and Sancho received on social media seems to me that there is an organisation out there coordinating racial messages. It’s too perfectly synced and spammed at once not to be.
---------------------------------
UK government should organise and get rid of this. Ban facking twitter until they get their shiiiit in order.
It is not that hard for twitter to implement a bot to screen messages and block anything racist and ban everyone who does. Governments need to force them to do it. You cant hide behind freedom of speech forever if this continues to be a problem.
posted on 12/7/21
Saka will be fine. Look at the love he's getting.
posted on 12/7/21
Why do players have sm accounts when they know this is how it goes?
And before anyone bleats about civil liberties players are careful where they go out of an evening and who with for the same reasons - it can be inviting trouble. Ditto leaving their property unguarded whilst being away on match duty. Not right but a fact.
posted on 12/7/21
Even the usually deadeye Jorginho missed his penalty. Anyone can in those circumstances. The pressure is insane. I was shaking just watching from my home.
Southgate got most of his big calls wrong on the biggest night of all. Sitting back all game when Italy looked like they were rocking a bit after 15 mins was the dumbest thing he could have done.
posted on 12/7/21
How much credit does Southgate get to take for "bringing the players together" and "ending club division in the squad" because these are the usual claims made whenever he's criticized.
I admit players look a lot less cliquey nowadays, but that seems to be irrelevant of England.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 minutes ago
How much credit does Southgate get to take for "bringing the players together" and "ending club division in the squad" because these are the usual claims made whenever he's criticized.
I admit players look a lot less cliquey nowadays, but that seems to be irrelevant of England.
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A ton. This group may be our most talented in a very long time, but it is nowhere near its peak. The Golden Generation never made a final, let alone come within a couple of kicks of winning one.
Southgate is genuinely a very good manager and one very well suited to the international game. He made some calls wrong yesterday, imo, but some people here don't see the ones he got right.
posted on 12/7/21
He made bad calls during the Denmark game,he could've killed them off but didn't, it took a dive and penalty to win the game. He's too negative
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 minutes ago
How much credit does Southgate get to take for "bringing the players together" and "ending club division in the squad" because these are the usual claims made whenever he's criticized.
I admit players look a lot less cliquey nowadays, but that seems to be irrelevant of England.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A ton. This group may be our most talented in a very long time, but it is nowhere near its peak. The Golden Generation never made a final, let alone come within a couple of kicks of winning one.
Southgate is genuinely a very good manager and one very well suited to the international game. He made some calls wrong yesterday, imo, but some people here don't see the ones he got right.
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Because the things he got wrong here mean NONE of those other calls matter. Yesterday's wrong calls were complete no brainer, plain as day BASICS. Nobody's first kick of a game should be in the penalty shootout. Then he gives them the most insane order which sees his two most experienced players taking the two least pressure pens and the potential clutch decider penalty responsibility and pressure heaped on to the shoulders of a 19 yr old kid who's never taken an international pen in his life.
Southgate's own memories should have guaranteed he never put Saka in that position by having that order and he should also remember enough about playing to know that if he wanted Sancho and Rashford taking pens, he needed to get them on 10 mins before the end to at least get a few touches and loosen up first. GS is no 1st season rookie and these sorts of bad calls still being made this far into his career say to me he isn't the one to bring it home.
That said there's no point sacking him yet though with only the one year to the WC thx to Covid. Time for him to be put on notice with a straight and simple "If you don't win the World Cup, ya fired!" That is fair after this feck up and taking into account the fact if it was 2 years until WC then he should be getting sacked now.
posted on 12/7/21
Spot on mate, Southgate was naive of not useless in his game decision making its borderline amateurish.
He should have removed Kane for Calvin-Lewin, Kane looked spent whole extra time.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
The instant racist abuse Sake, Rashford and Sancho received on social media seems to me that there is an organisation out there coordinating racial messages. It’s too perfectly synced and spammed at once not to be.
---------------------------------
UK government should organise and get rid of this. Ban facking twitter until they get their shiiiit in order.
It is not that hard for twitter to implement a bot to screen messages and block anything racist and ban everyone who does. Governments need to force them to do it. You cant hide behind freedom of speech forever if this continues to be a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 12/7/21
WB2
As tempting as it is, no point to sack Southgate. He’s track records in tournament is actually pretty amazing. He’s done something no England manager has done since 66. His obvious weaknesses are his in game tactical management which is quite poor if it means England are to take the initiative and attack. He’s much better when England are the clear underdogs.
He should’ve learn from Croatia in 2018, he didn’t. Will he learn from this?
posted on 12/7/21
Southgate doesn't know how to utilise his squad, Mancini does.
Too scared to make subs.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Oldie@Ride🪑or Die (U21751)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
The instant racist abuse Sake, Rashford and Sancho received on social media seems to me that there is an organisation out there coordinating racial messages. It’s too perfectly synced and spammed at once not to be.
---------------------------------
UK government should organise and get rid of this. Ban facking twitter until they get their shiiiit in order.
It is not that hard for twitter to implement a bot to screen messages and block anything racist and ban everyone who does. Governments need to force them to do it. You cant hide behind freedom of speech forever if this continues to be a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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They should and they can, problem is all parties are far far too busy getting themselves paid hand over fist off the advertising revenue generated by everyone clicking away to write share and argue over these vile tweets.
They're making ridiculous amounts of money off of people being able to do this. Plus from a political point of view, if they're ranting about some controversial sh !t on twitter then "Well hey they're not paying attention to me feckin up the country and rinsing them for every penny are they. So it's good times."
A big fact distraction which literally pays them piles of extra money whilst keeping the masses so distracted and busy fighting among themselves, they fail to notice the gargantuan piles of money the s already stole in the first place
Stop what? They ain't gonna stop a damned thing because bar someone's own carelessness causing a "Busted lipsin ya PA vid goes viral" scenario this god awful SM climate we live in is a big fat WINNER for them
posted on 12/7/21
comment by 50 trust the process (U1147)
posted 38 minutes ago
WB2
As tempting as it is, no point to sack Southgate. He’s track records in tournament is actually pretty amazing. He’s done something no England manager has done since 66. His obvious weaknesses are his in game tactical management which is quite poor if it means England are to take the initiative and attack. He’s much better when England are the clear underdogs.
He should’ve learn from Croatia in 2018, he didn’t. Will he learn from this?
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That's why I said WC or bust for him. The single year makes it just plain impractical to do it beforehand. But the nature of this year and the last WC mean that come next years WC Southgate will have no fig leaf left to hide behind if he doesn't win it or at least come damned close being beaten only by the opposition, not by his own lack of action or a player's poor discipline (as stupid pens are).
Basically he's had the time in the job, he's got the team good enough and he's got two "Got it wrong and paid the price" tournaments under his and the team's belts to go with it. Times up and if he can't win the WC or come close next year, with all that behind him then he isn't going to ever win it or the Euros so there's no point keeping him in the job past that. 3 failures is more than enough and plenty more than some England managers have had.
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