Lucas Moura's improved passing...

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 20 minutes ago
It's not that most players lose the physical or technical ability to pull off tricks or flair moves. It's just they become less practiced over time through lack of use, and eventually players lose the instinct to perform the tricks during matches.

You can absolutely coach that sort of thing out of a player's regular repertoire.
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Agree on the flair side of things but a point I made Re Moura was his passing ability, surely that won't go despite regressive coaching?

I don't see as much of him as you guys to be fair

comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Am sorry but no one can coach flair out of you.
And to think After a few training sessions a new coach has turned a 28yr old Moura into Prime messi playing in a friendly against a League 2 side.
Some are really taking this anti Mourinho thing to a new level
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But if the words of the manager ringing through your head as you play are negative, or safe, or defend first, then the natural attacking instincts of players can be quelled. Reluctant to try something skilful in case you lose it. We've seen it loads over Jose's career, players almost afraid to express themselves, make a mistake or for something not to work.

WIth Moura, Jose often played him centrally and i thought it worked well as he had energy and mobility to press in the middle and one of his strengths is breaking and running with the ball and doing that from deep was really effective at times. I do not think Jose inhibited Lucas's skills.

Someone definitely needs to coach Bergwijn how to score a goal

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Am sorry but no one can coach flair out of you.
And to think After a few training sessions a new coach has turned a 28yr old Moura into Prime messi playing in a friendly against a League 2 side.
Some are really taking this anti Mourinho thing to a new level
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But if the words of the manager ringing through your head as you play are negative, or safe, or defend first, then the natural attacking instincts of players can be quelled. Reluctant to try something skilful in case you lose it. We've seen it loads over Jose's career, players almost afraid to express themselves, make a mistake or for something not to work.

WIth Moura, Jose often played him centrally and i thought it worked well as he had energy and mobility to press in the middle and one of his strengths is breaking and running with the ball and doing that from deep was really effective at times. I do not think Jose inhibited Lucas's skills.
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Absolutely agree yes, but that's playing to the managers style which many players who never played under Mourinho have also suffered with. Players suffering by being played out of position or perhaps being put into a role they are not familiar with. Its well documented many players have left clubs for this reason..

But for me the natural ability of that player which has been ingrained in him barely goes away and he would easily integrate into a new style that he is more accustomed.

comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 25 minutes ago
AM afraid its just the notion that players have gone backwards or regressed because of Mourinho. How do you gauge that. This season not even started yet. Surely not in a friendly against a League 2 side.
Were these players pulling up trees before Mourinho joined????

Anyone who has followed Spurs over the years should by now know our strengths and weaknesses and the players who are not at the level required and stinking the place out. We were only a few points off top 4 behind some established teams. Mainly, the usual suspects lets us down.
Its simple..These players will cost Nuno his job if they are not replaced just like they cost Mourinho and Poch his.
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Totally over simplified. The only players that fit this notion arr Dier, Alli, Winks and Sanchez...All of which should not start games for Nuno. Unless you saying Kane, Son and Lloris cost Poch his job.

comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 25 minutes ago
AM afraid its just the notion that players have gone backwards or regressed because of Mourinho. How do you gauge that. This season not even started yet. Surely not in a friendly against a League 2 side.
Were these players pulling up trees before Mourinho joined????

Anyone who has followed Spurs over the years should by now know our strengths and weaknesses and the players who are not at the level required and stinking the place out. We were only a few points off top 4 behind some established teams. Mainly, the usual suspects lets us down.
Its simple..These players will cost Nuno his job if they are not replaced just like they cost Mourinho and Poch his.
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Totally over simplified. The only players that fit this notion arr Dier, Alli, Winks and Sanchez...All of which should not start games for Nuno. Unless you saying Kane, Son and Lloris cost Poch his job.
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Indeed, Off the top of my head I will also add Sissokko, Dele, Doherty , Alderweird to that list. Thats almost a full side there. None of these players will get into the top sides we are aiming to emulate..I see no reason why we should accommodate them and blame other factors.
"Good" players but they are not winning us the league,

comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm so... (U4388)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 20 minutes ago
It's not that most players lose the physical or technical ability to pull off tricks or flair moves. It's just they become less practiced over time through lack of use, and eventually players lose the instinct to perform the tricks during matches.

You can absolutely coach that sort of thing out of a player's regular repertoire.
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Agree on the flair side of things but a point I made Re Moura was his passing ability, surely that won't go despite regressive coaching?

I don't see as much of him as you guys to be fair
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Yeah - if you read back you'll see I said the same thing on the first page of comments. As in, it's very late in the day for him to suddenly make a major development in terms of passing/composure.

comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 25 minutes ago
AM afraid its just the notion that players have gone backwards or regressed because of Mourinho. How do you gauge that. This season not even started yet. Surely not in a friendly against a League 2 side.
Were these players pulling up trees before Mourinho joined????

Anyone who has followed Spurs over the years should by now know our strengths and weaknesses and the players who are not at the level required and stinking the place out. We were only a few points off top 4 behind some established teams. Mainly, the usual suspects lets us down.
Its simple..These players will cost Nuno his job if they are not replaced just like they cost Mourinho and Poch his.
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Totally over simplified. The only players that fit this notion arr Dier, Alli, Winks and Sanchez...All of which should not start games for Nuno. Unless you saying Kane, Son and Lloris cost Poch his job.
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Indeed, Off the top of my head I will also add Sissokko, Dele, Doherty , Alderweird to that list. Thats almost a full side there. None of these players will get into the top sides we are aiming to emulate..I see no reason why we should accommodate them and blame other factors.
"Good" players but they are not winning us the league,
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But are we really emulating to be a top side, no not really, Levy is content if we are in the mix, will never aim to challenge for titles, so a bit of mediocrity is allowed

comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 10 hours, 19 minutes ago
The problem with Moura, his first instinct when he recieves the ball is it put his head and run with it. See the first 5 mins of yday game as a perfect example.

Only when he has done the same thing 3 or 4 times and runs out of gas abit he will then look for a pass.

He is a very selfish player in that regards. He doesn't really think about the team first. It's more of a case how I can release all this energy? He just lacks football IQ until he gasses out abit.

If a defender or two are close to him and he has enough energy he sees it as a challenge and works out how get round them. His end product after a run is so bad most of the times.
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This sums him up perfectly and in a nutshell

comment by DeadKneeKing (U11802)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 10 hours, 19 minutes ago
The problem with Moura, his first instinct when he recieves the ball is it put his head and run with it. See the first 5 mins of yday game as a perfect example.

Only when he has done the same thing 3 or 4 times and runs out of gas abit he will then look for a pass.

He is a very selfish player in that regards. He doesn't really think about the team first. It's more of a case how I can release all this energy? He just lacks football IQ until he gasses out abit.

If a defender or two are close to him and he has enough energy he sees it as a challenge and works out how get round them. His end product after a run is so bad most of the times.
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This sums him up perfectly and in a nutshell
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Agreed but I've definitely seen a change in these friendlies. We shall see if he reverts to type in the season.