Recruitment

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 40 minutes ago
At the end of the day, “Ole is building a better squad squad for future” is one of those things people cling on to because there is literally nothing else to show for his tenure. Both Jose and LVG left behind a better squad than one they inherited but that wasn’t enough to keep them on the job. Same should apply to Ole.

You still see people claiming we should stick with Ole because we don’t want another Jose situation when Jose tenure as a whole has been objectively better in every way imaginable.

Club will do well to avoid another Ole or Moyes situation, not a Jose situation.

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100 percent true.

I did think it was time for Jose to go because he had lost the changing room and the plot a bit towards the end. But as you say, he improved the squad far more than Ole has managed to do, whilst spending less, and winning trophies. And yet people persist with this notion that Ole has done an amazing job "rebuilding for the future".

Laughable
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Let's look at Jose's signings:

Eric Bailly - Not bad when fit, but never fit. Needed replacing by Meguire.
Zlatan - Good signing, but old and now gone. Not a signing for the next manager.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan - Not good enough, was moved on.
Paul Pogba - Not lived up to the hype but a decent enough signing.
Victor Lindelof - Not good enough. Had to sign Varane to upgrade him.
Lukaku - Not good enough. Needed replacing.
Matic - Not good enough. Squad player at best.
Sanchez - Terrible signing. What a waste of money.
Dalot - Not good enough. Needs replacing.
Fred - Not good enough, needs replacing.
Lee Grant - Ten a penny. Little impact on overall squad quality.

Oh yeh, Jose did a fantastic job strengthening the squad.

You can compare Ole’s signings and it isn’t all that better. It’s too early with recent signings but let’s compare others

Edinson Cavani - not a signing for the next manager

Daniel James - mediocre, and now sold

Bruno - fantastic signing, best since SAF left

McGuire - decent, but expected better given the price tag

AWB - mediocre, need to be replaced.

Ahmad- won’t get games in the next two seasons and probably be sold

Donny van de Beek - cannot get a game

So where is this amazing squad building? One fantastic signing and rest are meh

In anycase I don’t think recruitment is solely down to managers. Our scouting has been sub par. We bought players with such obvious deficiencies like AWB and Lindelof. Scouting has a lot to answer for failing transfers than management imo.

100 percent true.

I did think it was time for Jose to go because he had lost the changing room and the plot a bit towards the end. But as you say, he improved the squad far more than Ole has managed to do, whilst spending less, and winning trophies. And yet people persist with this notion that Ole has done an amazing job "rebuilding for the future".

Laughable
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Yeah, he had to go. Football was terrible, results were terrible and things were going off the rails. I have no issues with sacking Jose. I expect more consistency, but all I see is exaggerations and double standards.

Let’s be honest, Ole is an interim manager that long.. long out lived his purpose. Now it becoming a pointless exercise to keep.

With past managers, we can point to atleast one aspect of the game they improved. LVG improved the ability to keep the ball. Jose improved the ability to keep the defensive shape. What has Ole improved? Nothing. Three years for no observable improvement on the field, and all we hear is “progress”, “United way” and some other nonsensical buzz words.

It’s not like he is going to win a final against Klopp, Pep and Tuchel. There teams are far better drilled and better prepared, and those coaches are far better at in game management.

We are also no where near drilled enough as a team. So making a consistent run challenging for the league is out of the question.

So what is next? Good football? Mediocre teams regularly come to OT and dominate. There are atleast ten teams in the league that better at passing out from back.

So what does Ole do? What is his purpose? After three years I can’t think of anything.

comment by The Luke Show (U8522)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can compare Ole’s signings and it isn’t all that better. It’s too early with recent signings but let’s compare others

Edinson Cavani - not a signing for the next manager

Daniel James - mediocre, and now sold

Bruno - fantastic signing, best since SAF left

McGuire - decent, but expected better given the price tag

AWB - mediocre, need to be replaced.

Ahmad- won’t get games in the next two seasons and probably be sold

Donny van de Beek - cannot get a game

So where is this amazing squad building? One fantastic signing and rest are meh

In anycase I don’t think recruitment is solely down to managers. Our scouting has been sub par. We bought players with such obvious deficiencies like AWB and Lindelof. Scouting has a lot to answer for failing transfers than management imo.



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Meguire and Varane both come out in the top 10 CBs in world football in any list you care to take a look at. Stats back that up. 2 very good signings.

James wasn't good enough, but he served a purpose and we made a decent profit on him.

I'd agree about AWB. He doesn't look good enough on the ball for me. Other areas can be coached, but technically, not sure he will ever be good enough.

Sancho, VDB, Amad it is too soon to judge for me.

I think that a lot of the good work that Ole has done with the squad will become more apparent in the next few years as the younger first team players become more established (learning from the likes of Mara, Cavani and Ronaldo) and the even younger lads make their way through from the academy/U23s.

McGuire has deficiencies in his game that makes him less suitable for teams that play on the front foot. He has been decent so far, and far from the biggest issue in the first team. But by some miracle if we get the next few transfers right, club will look for another CB long term. So for 80 million worth slow CB, i don’t think it can be classed as a great signing, decent at best.

Agree about Varane. I think he will be a great signing, too early tell though.

VDB is a flop. He had more than a year to assimilate, and he couldn’t get a game ahead of aging Matic or Lingard. He won’t stay too long at United.

In anycase, our issue with the recruitment goes beyond managers. Time after time scouting and recruitment has let managers down. We sign too many players with such obvious deficiencies, and there doesn’t seem to be any changes.

We are crying out for a ball playing DM, and all reports suggests our main target is Declan Rice, who is worse at long range passing than Lindelof. It doesn’t make any sense.

So I don’t think the next manager will come in and start hovering up trophies. We still have too many weakness in the squad, and we have a very poor record of rectifying them.

We are crying out for a ball playing DM, and all reports suggests our main target is Declan Rice, who is worse at long range passing than Lindelof. It doesn’t make any sense.

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You don’t need him to be a long range passing specialist. You need him to be decent at short and medium range. Which Fred and McT are very careless at.

comment by The Luke Show (U8522)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
100 percent true.

I did think it was time for Jose to go because he had lost the changing room and the plot a bit towards the end. But as you say, he improved the squad far more than Ole has managed to do, whilst spending less, and winning trophies. And yet people persist with this notion that Ole has done an amazing job "rebuilding for the future".

Laughable
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Yeah, he had to go. Football was terrible, results were terrible and things were going off the rails. I have no issues with sacking Jose. I expect more consistency, but all I see is exaggerations and double standards.

Let’s be honest, Ole is an interim manager that long.. long out lived his purpose. Now it becoming a pointless exercise to keep.

With past managers, we can point to atleast one aspect of the game they improved. LVG improved the ability to keep the ball. Jose improved the ability to keep the defensive shape. What has Ole improved? Nothing. Three years for no observable improvement on the field, and all we hear is “progress”, “United way” and some other nonsensical buzz words.

It’s not like he is going to win a final against Klopp, Pep and Tuchel. There teams are far better drilled and better prepared, and those coaches are far better at in game management.

We are also no where near drilled enough as a team. So making a consistent run challenging for the league is out of the question.

So what is next? Good football? Mediocre teams regularly come to OT and dominate. There are atleast ten teams in the league that better at passing out from back.

So what does Ole do? What is his purpose? After three years I can’t think of anything.
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He definetly improved the atmosphere around the club.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by The Luke Show (U8522)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can compare Ole’s signings and it isn’t all that better. It’s too early with recent signings but let’s compare others

Edinson Cavani - not a signing for the next manager

Daniel James - mediocre, and now sold

Bruno - fantastic signing, best since SAF left

McGuire - decent, but expected better given the price tag

AWB - mediocre, need to be replaced.

Ahmad- won’t get games in the next two seasons and probably be sold

Donny van de Beek - cannot get a game

So where is this amazing squad building? One fantastic signing and rest are meh

In anycase I don’t think recruitment is solely down to managers. Our scouting has been sub par. We bought players with such obvious deficiencies like AWB and Lindelof. Scouting has a lot to answer for failing transfers than management imo.



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Meguire and Varane both come out in the top 10 CBs in world football in any list you care to take a look at. Stats back that up. 2 very good signings.

James wasn't good enough, but he served a purpose and we made a decent profit on him.

I'd agree about AWB. He doesn't look good enough on the ball for me. Other areas can be coached, but technically, not sure he will ever be good enough.

Sancho, VDB, Amad it is too soon to judge for me.

I think that a lot of the good work that Ole has done with the squad will become more apparent in the next few years as the younger first team players become more established (learning from the likes of Mara, Cavani and Ronaldo) and the even younger lads make their way through from the academy/U23s.
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Who are these younger first team players you expect to establish themsleves in the next few years that arent already?

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
We are crying out for a ball playing DM, and all reports suggests our main target is Declan Rice, who is worse at long range passing than Lindelof. It doesn’t make any sense.

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You don’t need him to be a long range passing specialist. You need him to be decent at short and medium range. Which Fred and McT are very careless at.
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Rice isn’t all that good at medium range passing either.

With the CMs we have, incoming DM needs to be good at passing in order to build a cohesive team. So it doesn’t make any sense to target a DM whose weakness is passing.

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by The Luke Show (U8522)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
100 percent true.

I did think it was time for Jose to go because he had lost the changing room and the plot a bit towards the end. But as you say, he improved the squad far more than Ole has managed to do, whilst spending less, and winning trophies. And yet people persist with this notion that Ole has done an amazing job "rebuilding for the future".

Laughable
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Yeah, he had to go. Football was terrible, results were terrible and things were going off the rails. I have no issues with sacking Jose. I expect more consistency, but all I see is exaggerations and double standards.

Let’s be honest, Ole is an interim manager that long.. long out lived his purpose. Now it becoming a pointless exercise to keep.

With past managers, we can point to atleast one aspect of the game they improved. LVG improved the ability to keep the ball. Jose improved the ability to keep the defensive shape. What has Ole improved? Nothing. Three years for no observable improvement on the field, and all we hear is “progress”, “United way” and some other nonsensical buzz words.

It’s not like he is going to win a final against Klopp, Pep and Tuchel. There teams are far better drilled and better prepared, and those coaches are far better at in game management.

We are also no where near drilled enough as a team. So making a consistent run challenging for the league is out of the question.

So what is next? Good football? Mediocre teams regularly come to OT and dominate. There are atleast ten teams in the league that better at passing out from back.

So what does Ole do? What is his purpose? After three years I can’t think of anything.
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He definetly improved the atmosphere around the club.
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Define improving the atmosphere?