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posted on 27/9/21

Shaw, Pogba, Lukaku, Bruno, Varane.

All great signings.

posted on 27/9/21

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 10 minutes ago
Shaw, Pogba, Lukaku, Bruno, Varane.

All great signings.
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Hmmm not sure on ur definition of greatness. Pogba has still questionably underperformed for his price tag and status. Varane is unproven yet but is looking shaky in Atleast the games I’ve seen him. Lukaku…”great”?

And luke shaw was very underwhelming until having a phenomenal season last year.

Think you need to rethink the use of the word great on this one

posted on 27/9/21

The club is still living in the 90s and 00s with its structure. When SAF was in charge he dealt with most of the footballing side and was very good at it, when he left the club had no idea what to do. There’s no strategy in place with recruitment and management appointment. How do you go from LVG someone who loves controlled possession football to Jose who is the complete opposite. Those two decisions set the club back a decade because that tied with the poor recruitment and lots of wasted money.

posted on 27/9/21

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 25 minutes ago
Shaw, Pogba, Lukaku, Bruno, Varane.

All great signings.
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Pogba wasn’t a great signing, he was decent but we expected a lot more from him.

Lukaku wasn’t a great signing, otherwise we wouldn’t have got rid off him. and it’s too early to tell with Varane

posted on 27/9/21

We have only recently changed our recruitment policy so I wouldn’t be to fussed over this.

posted on 27/9/21


All quality players signed by us within the last 7 years.

Pogba was a great signing. We just havent used him properly. He could have been our De Bruyne if he had been.

posted on 27/9/21

comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 28 minutes ago
The club is still living in the 90s and 00s with its structure. When SAF was in charge he dealt with most of the footballing side and was very good at it, when he left the club had no idea what to do. There’s no strategy in place with recruitment and management appointment. How do you go from LVG someone who loves controlled possession football to Jose who is the complete opposite. Those two decisions set the club back a decade because that tied with the poor recruitment and lots of wasted money.
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The mistake was appointing Moyes, then LVG.

It was these poor appointments that lead to the club going for Jose who whilst came with baggage, almost guaranteed trophies at that time.

posted on 27/9/21

OP, you seem to forget an important factor in the development of the players: the manager. Would you be saying that Shaw was a good signing, if José were still our manger? For me, Shaw, Lukaku, Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, and Varane are all great signings.

posted on 27/9/21

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 24 minutes ago

All quality players signed by us within the last 7 years.

Pogba was a great signing. We just havent used him properly. He could have been our De Bruyne if he had been.
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There's a big difference between signing a great player and making a great signing. You've just explained why Pogba is the former and not the latter.

posted on 27/9/21

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 10 minutes ago
Shaw, Pogba, Lukaku, Bruno, Varane.

All great signings.
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Hmmm not sure on ur definition of greatness. Pogba has still questionably underperformed for his price tag and status. Varane is unproven yet but is looking shaky in Atleast the games I’ve seen him. Lukaku…”great”?

And luke shaw was very underwhelming until having a phenomenal season last year.

Think you need to rethink the use of the word great on this one
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Shaw was great when he came, consistantly our best player, until his leg break

posted on 27/9/21

comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 26 minutes ago
OP, you seem to forget an important factor in the development of the players: the manager. Would you be saying that Shaw was a good signing, if José were still our manger? For me, Shaw, Lukaku, Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, and Varane are all great signings.
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Chelsea change managers regularly, but they also Regularly make good signings. They spend less than us in the last seven seasons but they have made more good signings compared to us.

I get your point about the manager but Chelsea has an overall better recruitment policy and scouting network than we do.

posted on 27/9/21

comment by Kroenke_out (U21076)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 24 minutes ago

All quality players signed by us within the last 7 years.

Pogba was a great signing. We just havent used him properly. He could have been our De Bruyne if he had been.
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There's a big difference between signing a great player and making a great signing. You've just explained why Pogba is the former and not the latter.
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The OP asks why we are poor at transfers. I think the signing of Pogba shows we arent.

Management of the signings shows we are poor at making our signings great.

posted on 27/9/21

As another poster said, there is a difference between signing great player and making a great signing. Pogba was the world record transfer at the time. He hasn’t lived up to it. It hasn’t been a great transfer.

posted on 27/9/21

comment by The Luke Show (U8522)
posted 32 seconds ago
As another poster said, there is a difference between signing great player and making a great signing. Pogba was the world record transfer at the time. He hasn’t lived up to it. It hasn’t been a great transfer.
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A world class midfielder, 23 years of age, it was a great signing. We just didn't make the most of him.

posted on 27/9/21

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by The Luke Show (U8522)
posted 32 seconds ago
As another poster said, there is a difference between signing great player and making a great signing. Pogba was the world record transfer at the time. He hasn’t lived up to it. It hasn’t been a great transfer.
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A world class midfielder, 23 years of age, it was a great signing. We just didn't make the most of him.
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No, he didn't make the most of it.

posted on 28/9/21

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by The Luke Show (U8522)
posted 32 seconds ago
As another poster said, there is a difference between signing great player and making a great signing. Pogba was the world record transfer at the time. He hasn’t lived up to it. It hasn’t been a great transfer.
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A world class midfielder, 23 years of age, it was a great signing. We just didn't make the most of him.
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No, he didn't make the most of it.
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I think he would have had he not been deployed as he was / is.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 28/9/21

comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 12 hours, 10 minutes ago
The club is still living in the 90s and 00s with its structure. When SAF was in charge he dealt with most of the footballing side and was very good at it, when he left the club had no idea what to do. There’s no strategy in place with recruitment and management appointment. How do you go from LVG someone who loves controlled possession football to Jose who is the complete opposite. Those two decisions set the club back a decade because that tied with the poor recruitment and lots of wasted money.
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Agree with most of this, although I do think that we have made some changes in recent years that have improved recruitment and which will help us moving forwards.

posted on 28/9/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 12 hours, 10 minutes ago
The club is still living in the 90s and 00s with its structure. When SAF was in charge he dealt with most of the footballing side and was very good at it, when he left the club had no idea what to do. There’s no strategy in place with recruitment and management appointment. How do you go from LVG someone who loves controlled possession football to Jose who is the complete opposite. Those two decisions set the club back a decade because that tied with the poor recruitment and lots of wasted money.
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Agree with most of this, although I do think that we have made some changes in recent years that have improved recruitment and which will help us moving forwards.
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I will give credit to Ole for fixing this, now I don't know if its him or the board that have identified this is the way forward but hopefully it pays off in the future. When the club do decide to appoint a new manager or coach, hopefully they look at the players we have and appoint a manager accordingly that will be able to work on the strength of the players we have, and maybe tweak slightly.

posted on 28/9/21

comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 12 hours, 10 minutes ago
The club is still living in the 90s and 00s with its structure. When SAF was in charge he dealt with most of the footballing side and was very good at it, when he left the club had no idea what to do. There’s no strategy in place with recruitment and management appointment. How do you go from LVG someone who loves controlled possession football to Jose who is the complete opposite. Those two decisions set the club back a decade because that tied with the poor recruitment and lots of wasted money.
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Agree with most of this, although I do think that we have made some changes in recent years that have improved recruitment and which will help us moving forwards.
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I will give credit to Ole for fixing this, now I don't know if its him or the board that have identified this is the way forward but hopefully it pays off in the future. When the club do decide to appoint a new manager or coach, hopefully they look at the players we have and appoint a manager accordingly that will be able to work on the strength of the players we have, and maybe tweak slightly.
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Sorry, what are you giving Ole credit for fixing?

As for the next manager, I wouldnt want the club to pass up the chance to appoint the next Pep or SAF because we have Carrick lined up for continuity

posted on 28/9/21

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 12 hours, 10 minutes ago
The club is still living in the 90s and 00s with its structure. When SAF was in charge he dealt with most of the footballing side and was very good at it, when he left the club had no idea what to do. There’s no strategy in place with recruitment and management appointment. How do you go from LVG someone who loves controlled possession football to Jose who is the complete opposite. Those two decisions set the club back a decade because that tied with the poor recruitment and lots of wasted money.
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Agree with most of this, although I do think that we have made some changes in recent years that have improved recruitment and which will help us moving forwards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I will give credit to Ole for fixing this, now I don't know if its him or the board that have identified this is the way forward but hopefully it pays off in the future. When the club do decide to appoint a new manager or coach, hopefully they look at the players we have and appoint a manager accordingly that will be able to work on the strength of the players we have, and maybe tweak slightly.
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Sorry, what are you giving Ole credit for fixing?

As for the next manager, I wouldnt want the club to pass up the chance to appoint the next Pep or SAF because we have Carrick lined up for continuity


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He seems to have done better than the previous managers with buying the right players, not saying its been perfect but its an improvement. I'm not exactly Ole in, I don't think we'll challenge for major trophies with him in charge or with his coaching team. He's got far to many flaws with his setup, tactics and in game management.

However what I'm saying is when we do change manager, I do hope its a manager that can work with the strength of the squad we have. That's why Conte would be a bad choice. Our squad isn't built for his tactics and formation. Zidane on the other hand could work. Pep's style would not suite us either, we don't have those type of players.

posted on 28/9/21

Sorry, what are you giving Ole credit for fixing?

……

Fixing Ed”s mess.

……

posted on 28/9/21

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry, what are you giving Ole credit for fixing?

……

Fixing Ed”s mess.

……


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I meant more specifically. It wasn't clear from the guys post.

posted on 28/9/21

I’d like to know what people think about our scouting network, it does seems like fallen behind.

We are rumored to scouted more than 100 RBs before setting for AWBs. Declan Rice seem to be our main target for DM. I don’t see our rivals making this kind of mistakes.

posted on 28/9/21

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry, what are you giving Ole credit for fixing?

……

Fixing Ed”s mess.

……


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I meant more specifically. It wasn't clear from the guys post.
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Recruitment.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 28/9/21

comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Ronald-Royce (U4302)
posted 12 hours, 10 minutes ago
The club is still living in the 90s and 00s with its structure. When SAF was in charge he dealt with most of the footballing side and was very good at it, when he left the club had no idea what to do. There’s no strategy in place with recruitment and management appointment. How do you go from LVG someone who loves controlled possession football to Jose who is the complete opposite. Those two decisions set the club back a decade because that tied with the poor recruitment and lots of wasted money.
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Agree with most of this, although I do think that we have made some changes in recent years that have improved recruitment and which will help us moving forwards.
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I will give credit to Ole for fixing this, now I don't know if its him or the board that have identified this is the way forward but hopefully it pays off in the future. When the club do decide to appoint a new manager or coach, hopefully they look at the players we have and appoint a manager accordingly that will be able to work on the strength of the players we have, and maybe tweak slightly.
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I think that it will be a mixture of both Ole and the club from what I have read. Either way, I do think that we are now in a better state in that respect and as you say, hopefully there is a more considered approach moving forwards when we appoint new managers. Going from Moyes, to LVG to Jose made no sense. And I don't really see how (if Ole were to leave today) bringing Conte in would make any sense either. No doubt a very good manager, but it would just undo the good work that Ole has done.

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