No need for it Jesse……

Well we all slated some Karen or other for stating we only got promoted due to lockdown and the players having time to recover. Maybe she had a point?

Yes we got to 9th with the same training methods last season but I think they had less pressure on them due to playing behind closed doors.

This season has been difficult and at times the players did look knackered and certainly looked lost at times.

It’s difficult to know exactly what conclusion to come to, especially as Bielsa is a God for what he did and seems to be one of the nicest blokes on the planet.

I was firmly in the “let him see this out and if we go down then so be it - we will get back” brigade but tellingly I’m not the owner with £millions at stake and having to let staff go if we got relegated . If I was then I’d probably have done what Radz did to be brutally honest.

comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 2 days, 4 hours ago
On reflection I think the timing of this most likely isn’t coincidental. Fits with a PR strategy. Placate the fans with eulogies about bielsa whilst they’re in mourning. Get a few positive results on board.. and pick your moment when the new boy is on an upward curve to spread the reasons why the new coach is actually here and the old one was sacked.

Still think it could have been done more subtlety if done at all.
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I think you've hit nail on head here.

Board know strength of feeling towards Bielsa.

Board know full well the ant Bielsa/Leeds talk coming from Talksport,.

Head of comms for Leeds is very careful about who speaks to whom.

This wasn't an accident.

It's the club throwing Bielsa under a bus, but cleverly getting Marsch to do it instead of themselves.

For all os Bielsa faults, we have all seen him to be a great example of humility and integrity and I think many of us would have hoped for some foundation or legacy to be built on.

Bielsa would never have made these comments about a predecessor.

Since Bielsa gone we've seen stupid decision not to take Roberts off when injured and stupid decision to rush Bamford back. When you listen to Marsch, I don't think you actually hear him taking responsibility for either of these.

The reality is, we've gotten some points, some of them extremely fortuitously against the teams we'd have been expecting points against anyway and I don't think that allows judgement of Marsch suddenly being the saviour or solution.

I don't think it's that hard for him to talk about the situation with the disrespect that comes across.

"We're trying to recover from a real injury pile up. Bielsa' techniques and training are legendary, I'm really quite a novice in comparison, but we're going to try and take the best of his legacy and weave in some of the ideas from my experience and build on the amazing foundation that Marcelo has left us".

I heard him say he took responsibility for rushing Bamford back. I think Bielsa fell into that trap too.

"The one with Patrick I felt terrible about, because the responsibility of a coach to take care of his players and to make sure that you're not injuring them and putting them in harm's way, so in the end when it didnt go the way we wanted with Patrick, I feel that its my responsibility to get that right"

He doesn't actually say he got anything wrong, he doesnt actually say it was his fault. He was very very clever with his words.

Bielsa never rushed Bamford back, Bamford injured himself completely differently to pre existing injury, with his celebration.

My friend Jonty wrote:

""I don't think it's that hard for him to talk about the situation with the disrespect that comes across.

"We're trying to recover from a real injury pile up. Bielsa' techniques and training are legendary, I'm really quite a novice in comparison, but we're going to try and take the best of his legacy and weave in some of the ideas from my experience and build on the amazing foundation that Marcelo has left us"."

Sounds respectful of Bielsa to me.

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 14 hours, 50 minutes ago
"The one with Patrick I felt terrible about, because the responsibility of a coach to take care of his players and to make sure that you're not injuring them and putting them in harm's way, so in the end when it didnt go the way we wanted with Patrick, I feel that its my responsibility to get that right"

He doesn't actually say he got anything wrong, he doesnt actually say it was his fault. He was very very clever with his words.

Bielsa never rushed Bamford back, Bamford injured himself completely differently to pre existing injury, with his celebration.



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He “felt terrible”. “It’s the responsibility of the coach”. “It’s my responsibility to get that right.”

What more do you want him to say?

He was clever with his words, never actually said that he made a mistake and that it was his fault.

If you'd ever had any media training you'd see that straight away Stoopo.

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 6 days, 7 hours ago
He was clever with his words, never actually said that he made a mistake and that it was his fault.

If you'd ever had any media training you'd see that straight away Stoopo.
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In Latin America you get used to dealing with lawyers; it' about saying a lot and how you're going to fix it without actually saying you were wrong in the first place.

In other words, he owned his decisions. not my mistakes.

I could see that in Bielsa., where lawyers frequently refer to "subjective assertions" when presented with unequivocal facts! With a little training Bielsa could surely get a job in the legal profession as an advisor when he retires.

Some people on here could apply a bit of the same humility as Bielsa.

Their directness makes them no better than Marsch. In short. all Marsch has done is give a pretty fair appraisal of the truth, while setting himself up to deliver safety.

Principally, I care more about whether what someone says is the truth above and over if it placates, or simply sidesteps the hard evidence.

Personally, I feel he would have been better saying nothing until the end of the season. or at least until we'd played the tough 3 games against top sides coming up in the next few weeks. If we get hammered, then he's going to have to find a way around explaining why his approach is no more effective.

These same people defended Bielsa when clearly here made errors and didn't actually admit them. Now we see complete

Nice to see marsch clear things up

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