This is not a Pep vs Klopp pizztake. That argument is the new Messi vs Ronaldo fan boy challenge and its tiring.
Came across this article ranking the best managers in the PL Era.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-the-20-best-premier-league-managers-ever
Now I don't have too many complaints with that list except I don't understand how Rafa is ranked ahead of Ancelotti but nobody is perfect.
It got me thinking that if you gave all the Top managers in their prime the squad and money to build a squad and compete in the league who would come out Top 8/10 times? Everything must be considered here particularly the conditions of the English Game:
a) Tactics
b) man management
c) Streetwise, ability to play the media, Refs
d) Ability to manage set-backs
e) Emotional Intelligence
This is not about building players or building a team. None of that nonsense. This is just pure management. My List maybe controversial but I think the Top 5 would be as follows:
1. Jose Mourinho - I couldn't stand the guy, cant stand him now even though he is irrelevant but in his prime this guy was a tactical genius , streetwise, good man manager and one of the best points accumulators I have seen in football along with Guardiola. He pips Pep because he is a touch more streetwise than Pep.
2. Pep Guardiola - Another points accumulating machine. City's game may look the same to the ordinary man but he prepares differently for each match and the way Sterling and Foden stayed high up the pitch and occupied the Wolves Wings backs totally destroyed Wolves game which is why they won the game easily. The Best football tactical brain of any generation and unlike Jose he does it in the attacking Third of the pitch which is not easy. Not the best man manager (Its improved) as his personality doesnt allow but its mainly his inability to recover from setbacks is what makes him lose out to Mourinho.
3. Sir Alex - I dont agree with the opinion that he would have struggled against Pep and Klopp. I think his low points totals had more to do with the challenges ahead of him. We saw City get 86 last season because that's all they needed. Excellent man manager, streetwise, knows the British conditions and understands the game better than anyone. He only comes 3rd as I think he is tactically inferior to the Top 2.
4. Jurgen Klopp - The most intelligent manager since Arsene Wenger. Pay attention to him, he is an extremely smart guy, best man manager I have seen. Not the most tactically astute but because he is intelligent he learns and alters his game. He is 4th because I think he is a momentum sort of manager. A bit like Arsene in 5th. There is a bit of momentum aswell to Sir Alex teams but he is in a different Class. This will sound crazy but even if Pep leaves, if Conte was at United I wouldn't be surprised to see Conte win Titles whilst Jurgen was around. He may go on and prove me wrong and wins the next 2 or 3 league titles but the way he structures his teams l would find it hard to believe Klopp can win back to back titles let alone 3 in a row.
5. Arsene Wenger - Extremely Intelligent, High Emotional IQ, Good knowledge of the game. Sadly another momentum manager and Im not convinced he stands a chance particularly against the Top 2.
Ancelotti and Conte make up the best of the rest. Whats your Top 5?
Best Manager in the Premier League
posted on 19/5/22
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Are you a Communist by any chance?
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Over the years I've seen City fans come out with all sorts in defence of their club but this one is special.
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We know City’s owners aren’t
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Your American owners have done more to destroy the English game than any other owners in the history of the PL. Yet they get a pass because of certain criteria I dare not mention.
Looking back, I think you guys really deserve Hicks and Gillet.
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Have they?
Getting angry now
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Project Big Picture & the Super League was their idea. So yes they are intent on doing harm to the English game.
But of course, they get a pass so no problem.
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Ah right, City had no involvement at all
City would be the first out the door into a Super league instead of the CL as a FU to UEFA
They got a pass did they? The anger towards them didn’t force John Henry into publicly apologising or anything
What you going to drag up next?
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comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
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Project Big Picture & the Super League was their idea.
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You have proof of this?
It was the United owners anyway
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United, Arsenal and Liverpool American owners all ganged up to destroy the English game.
But lets focus on City's owners who have done more for the English game.
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Why do intelligent fans hold a fake narrative that Pep has unlimited funds?
If City has unlimited funds, then why are Newcastle constrained from spending more seeing that their owners are wealthier?
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They haven't mastered the art of fabricating hundreds of millions of pounds worth of sponsorship deals out of thin air to circumvent FFP like City have. Newcastle may be richer but City are smarter.
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Signing any deal means City is earning their money. Something many of you like to spew about. A company is willing to pay it and it's signed off as market value by the PL & UEFA.
Regardless, whether the deals are dodgy or not, City's expenditure is limited to their annual revenue (similar to Liverpool's in recent years).. And we have more revenue from player sales and prize money than most clubs in the past five years.
If any of you have any proof of City spending outside of their earnings, then the PL 8 would be willing to pay handsomely to get their hands on such evidence.
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Would it make you happy if we stopped saying City are cheats?
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Call us out if you have any evidence or it just makes you and anyone look pathetic following a narrative that have no bearing to reality.
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Doesn't matter whether we stop or if we don't have evidence. Facts don't change
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"Facts" are usually supported by evidence otherwise, it's just your opinion.
posted on 19/5/22
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comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
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Project Big Picture & the Super League was their idea.
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You have proof of this?
It was the United owners anyway
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United, Arsenal and Liverpool American owners all ganged up to destroy the English game.
But lets focus on City's owners who have done more for the English game.
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City’s owners were being dragged into the super league against their will, when they aren’t ruling a dictatorial regime with an appalling human rights record and criticism from organisations such as Amnesty Int’
Seems legit being the shy timid people they are.
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Mancini
Ah right we’re all jealous because City bought their success. Much happier to see my club go about it the right way thanks. Nothing to be jealous of.
Pep: Spent £800m + to not win the CL
Klopp: Spent half that and may have won 2 in a couple of weeks.
Then there’s this;
“ Yet you're quick to defend your team when challenged by fans of other less well off clubs.
Hypocrisy of the highest order.”
Am I? Nice of you to decide that for me. Can’t say I’ve ever defended the spending of my club, never had need to.
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Only City buys success. Liverpool do things the right way (whatever that means). Another meaningless cliche thrown about by clueless fans and bought by the gullible.
Out of interest, how many of your regular starters this season came through your academy?
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Na, Chelsea and Newcastle are in the same company. Don’t worry, it’s not just your club.
You seem to be under the impression I’ve claimed Liverpool don’t spend money, despite pointing out how much we’ve spent under Klopp. You’re good at putting words I haven’t said into my mouth.
Have City outspent everyone by miles to achieve their success, yes or no?
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Every club spend to achieve success. Some spend more, others less.
It's the name of the game.
Leicester spent less to win the PL and FA cup compared to Liverpool for example.
United spent more than City to win nothing in recent years.
But to stand any chance of winning, you have to spend and spend big.
I'm happy City is spending big to compete and win stuff.
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I think most fans believe that there is a difference between clubs spending self generated money and clubs winning the oil lottery. Without the oil money you'd still be a mid-table team at best.
As a United fan, I have not love for Liverpool, but whatever success they have they fully deserve. I'd actually rather see City win trophies, as your success is easier to shrug off.
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comment by mancini (U7179)
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comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
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Project Big Picture & the Super League was their idea.
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You have proof of this?
It was the United owners anyway
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United, Arsenal and Liverpool American owners all ganged up to destroy the English game.
But lets focus on City's owners who have done more for the English game.
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City’s owners were being dragged into the super league against their will, when they aren’t ruling a dictatorial regime with an appalling human rights record and criticism from organisations such as Amnesty Int’
Seems legit being the shy timid people they are.
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City's owners are saints compared to Liverpool's.
Your owners came from a country where millions of their fellow citizens are treated worse compared to UAE. No healthcare for millions, no paid maternity leave, no job security etc. Yet you're focusing on human rights of Abu Dhabi.
But lets pretend American owners - good, Arab owners - bad.
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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comment by mancini (U7179)
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comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 13 seconds ago
Project Big Picture & the Super League was their idea.
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You have proof of this?
It was the United owners anyway
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United, Arsenal and Liverpool American owners all ganged up to destroy the English game.
But lets focus on City's owners who have done more for the English game.
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City’s owners were being dragged into the super league against their will, when they aren’t ruling a dictatorial regime with an appalling human rights record and criticism from organisations such as Amnesty Int’
Seems legit being the shy timid people they are.
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City's owners are saints compared to Liverpool's.
Your owners came from a country where millions of their fellow citizens are treated worse compared to UAE. No healthcare for millions, no paid maternity leave, no job security etc. Yet you're focusing on human rights of Abu Dhabi.
But lets pretend American owners - good, Arab owners - bad.
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Your owner Moshiri is deputy PM, and senior member of the ruling dictatorial royal family his human rights abusing country. He is one directly responsible for their track record.
You’re trying to compare this to an American business man with no political or royal links to the hierarchy in the US
Desperate times.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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I think most fans believe that there is a difference between clubs spending self generated money and clubs winning the oil lottery. Without the oil money you'd still be a mid-table team at best.
As a United fan, I have not love for Liverpool, but whatever success they have they fully deserve. I'd actually rather see City win trophies, as your success is easier to shrug off.
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I hear fans say this a lot but history tells a different story.
For example, Liverpool were a second division team before Littlewoods money came in. Without that money, Everton would have remained the dominant team in Merseyside.
Also, Liverpool were almost bankrupt thanks to Hicks and Gillet. The money spent by FSG to bail the club out was not "earned" but invested by the owners.
Yet we gloss over these evidence and trot out the line that they do things the right way - a media narrative which just confirms what Pep said the other day about media bias.
City had initial investments after the takeover and without which we wouldn't compete. We didn't earn that but since 2014, the club has been self sustaining. This is to the disappointment of many fans who then resort to name calling using tired cliches like "bottomless pit of money" or "dodgy sponsorship" etc.
City are a big club now and no amount of jealousy will stop us.
posted on 19/5/22
Mankini
“ Liverpool were a second division team before Littlewoods money came in. Without that money, Everton would have remained the dominant team in Merseyside.”
Anything to back this up?
How much more than our competitors did Littlewoods spend? How many transfer records did we break along the way?
Let’s see some actual facts to back this up.
posted on 19/5/22
comment by mancini (U7179)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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I think most fans believe that there is a difference between clubs spending self generated money and clubs winning the oil lottery. Without the oil money you'd still be a mid-table team at best.
As a United fan, I have not love for Liverpool, but whatever success they have they fully deserve. I'd actually rather see City win trophies, as your success is easier to shrug off.
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I hear fans say this a lot but history tells a different story.
For example, Liverpool were a second division team before Littlewoods money came in. Without that money, Everton would have remained the dominant team in Merseyside.
Also, Liverpool were almost bankrupt thanks to Hicks and Gillet. The money spent by FSG to bail the club out was not "earned" but invested by the owners.
Yet we gloss over these evidence and trot out the line that they do things the right way - a media narrative which just confirms what Pep said the other day about media bias.
City had initial investments after the takeover and without which we wouldn't compete. We didn't earn that but since 2014, the club has been self sustaining. This is to the disappointment of many fans who then resort to name calling using tired cliches like "bottomless pit of money" or "dodgy sponsorship" etc.
City are a big club now and no amount of jealousy will stop us.
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