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1. Klopp - already comptetes with a City team which cost a billion, with a squad costing half that and unbelievably costing £150m net. Tactically, I love it, get the players fired up, keep possession, press high, high line and get the ball forward at pace. Outstanding man manager who improves players. Turned a young midfielder into one of the best right backs in the world, a relegated left back into one of the best etc.

2. Guardiola - I dislike the tactics but they're extremely effective and it drains the life out of the opposition. Intelligent and I like his snappy remarks when he gets asked a stupid question.

3. Ferguson - also a great man manager but in a different way, old style where players listen and don't dare step out of line. Had a lot of luck with the youth that came through all at once but gelled it together excellently with experience.
4. Wenger - top when it comes to developing players and picking young players up for cheap. Many clubs followed suit until this didn't work anymore as everyone was doing it. One of the most exciting teams of the PL era.
5. Mourinho - good man manager in a similar way to Ferguson but this probably doesn't work as well anymore. Defensive but when he has top teams, extremely difficult to beat and control possession against. The master of creating an everyone versus us mentality in the players.

Pretty much agree with the list but switch Wenger and Mourinho

1. Ferguson
2. Guardiola
3. Mourinho
4. Wenger

comment by dangerdog2 (U22234)
posted 0 seconds ago
Pretty much agree with the list but switch Wenger and Mourinho

1. Ferguson
2. Guardiola
3. Mourinho
4. Wenger

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5 depends on how the bin dippers get through their last two games

Ferguson
Guardiola
Ten Hag
Mourinho
Klopp
Wenger
Moyes

Interesting criteria OP.

SAF’s only weak point in that would be tactics.

Feeguson got over 90 points twice in 38 game season and wasn't dominant in Europe. Bearing in mind his success coincided with PL revenues exploding he should've done far better in that regard
At the same time the guy was exceptional at getting performances above a players level. No shame in admitting he would struggle with the bar being raised so high. In his heyday the quality of the middle/bottom of the table sides was far lower. Fergie was great at getting a top coach in but I don't think it's a bad reflection on his success to say he wouldn't be winning PL against this city side. As Gary neville says city just don't drop points

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comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 minutes ago
Feeguson got over 90 points twice in 38 game season and wasn't dominant in Europe. Bearing in mind his success coincided with PL revenues exploding he should've done far better in that regard
At the same time the guy was exceptional at getting performances above a players level. No shame in admitting he would struggle with the bar being raised so high. In his heyday the quality of the middle/bottom of the table sides was far lower. Fergie was great at getting a top coach in but I don't think it's a bad reflection on his success to say he wouldn't be winning PL against this city side. As Gary neville says city just don't drop points
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I would say that Pep hasn’t done as well in Europe as he should have done. Pretty similar to SAF.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
Interesting criteria OP.

SAF’s only weak point in that would be tactics.
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Fergie usually surrounded himself with the best to make up for whatever he was lacking in. Master at getting that extra percent out of everyone on a regular basis

Anyone that doesn't have him at number one is just lying to themselves tbh

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 minutes ago
Feeguson got over 90 points twice in 38 game season and wasn't dominant in Europe. Bearing in mind his success coincided with PL revenues exploding he should've done far better in that regard
At the same time the guy was exceptional at getting performances above a players level. No shame in admitting he would struggle with the bar being raised so high. In his heyday the quality of the middle/bottom of the table sides was far lower. Fergie was great at getting a top coach in but I don't think it's a bad reflection on his success to say he wouldn't be winning PL against this city side. As Gary neville says city just don't drop points
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I would say that Pep hasn’t done as well in Europe as he should have done. Pretty similar to SAF.
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I agree. It's strange cos United had a huge transfer budget advantage over other teams but it was born from their success and timing of the PL deal. City and Pep have a blank cheque and no debt so it will always mean Pep gets more pressure for not winning the CL.
Ferguson and Pep both had some big duds in the market but I think Ferguson was definitely better at getting more from average players.
Fergie v wenger was the last proper rivalry before Chelsea and coy changed the game forever. Now there is just no margin for error. People sleep on the fact fergie was amazing at finding the right coach to evolve.

When I see people like neville say the bar has been raised I take note as he worked with some of fergie best sides. His opinion gives a lot of insight into how fergie worked and he was an enigma for sure.

I actually agree with the article's top 5...obviously Klopp and Pep still has time on their side should they wish to stay long enough to challenge Ferguson's longevity.

Klopp can obviously move up the list depending how he does until 2026

comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 29 minutes ago
Ferguson
Guardiola
Ten Hag
Mourinho
Klopp
Wenger
Moyes
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ffs

Conte not even in top 5 but Moyes is?
When the narrative suits

* top 7

Think it’s quite hard to rate as they’ve all had slightly different remits. If you go back to the Ferguson era, Guardiola would have more likely been his main coach in the mould of a Quieroz rather than a manager peer.

Agree with the top 5 in those rankings:

1. Fergie
2. Pep
3. Wenger
4. Mourinho
5. Klopp

There's room for change though.

Also, Rodgers should have been in the top 20.

comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 29 minutes ago
Ferguson
Guardiola
Ten Hag
Mourinho
Klopp
Wenger
Moyes
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ffs

Conte not even in top 5 but Moyes is?
When the narrative suits
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He was not being serious you melt.

1) SAF
2) Pep
3) Jose
4) Arsene
5) Klopp

In no particular order:

Alexander Ferguson
Josep Guardiola
Edward Howe
Steven Bruce
Anthony Pulis
Rafael Benítez Maudes
Samuel Allardyce
Robert Robson
Kenneth Dalgleish
Harold Redknapp
Christopher Wilder
Steven McLaren
Gary Southgate
Christopher Hughton
Alexander Neil
David Bassett
Anthony Adams
Steven Coppell
Ronald Atkinson
Peenis Advocaat
Australian Ardiles
Timothy Sherwood
Gareth Megson

Brucey Rioch

Christian Gross

Under the OPs criteria : tough one.
1) SAF
2) Pep
3)Jose
4) Klopp
5) Wenger

Although Wenger v Pep would’ve been very interesting to watch, hard to call that match-up.
Klopp v SAF would’ve been hardcore intensity.

How about Fergie with money v Pep without money?

I think Pep with money would beat Fergie with money, but both without big budgets then Fergie wins.

Shout out to Sean Dyche. He did amazing with Burnley for so long. Total disrespect to sack him. I almost want to see Burnley relegated for that