but in the context of the Group, a draw away from home in the CL is fine, providing you win all three home matches. 10 points should take you through.
I didn`t think it was a stella performance 5/10 at best. OK first half, created quite a few chances, but the final ball and finishing was woeful to say the least. Second half never really pushed on, and our forwards control of the ball was very poor, especially Son. Amazing how he scored those two great goals with either foot against Leicester, last night he looked absolutely spent. Such an up and down player at times. Cannot say Kane or Richi were much better, they were not. All three of our strikers looks like they had cement in their boots.
Just does not seem any cohesion in the side at the moment, struggling to string together any passes, CBs just plodding out with the ball, without a clue what to do with the ball going forward. Balance just does not seem right. Three up front doesn`t really work, same as two in the midfield does not seem to work. Conte can be really stubborn of his defending of his system, and doesn`t look like changing anytime soon, therein lies the problem.
On the injury front Kulu is a big miss, and where`s Moura? Bissouma not getting any game time either, although I think someone said he is carrying a knock. Surely though he has to start against his old club at the weekend.
On the plus side I thought Lenglet was decent last night, Bentancur had a half decent first half. Cannot think of much else though that was that exciting. All we can hope is that the Conte system just evolves as the season moves forward, and the out of form players pick their form up. Squad does not look at all strong going from last night`s bench, so I think Spurs are currently relying on about 15 players to see the season through in all probability. Conte does not seem to trust any more than that. Maybe he is angling to get some more money in January, by saying the squad is still not that good. Who knows.
Brighton at the weekend, probably be a couple of enforced changes, hopefully get the same result as last season, then beat Frankfurt at WHL next week, and it will all the look not too bad.
COYS
Last night was a not a great result,
posted on 6/10/22
From Sandy:
" I think Spurs are currently relying on about 15 players to see the season through in all probability. Conte does not seem to trust any more than that. "
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It was a Faaking horrible match from both sides.
Our excuse was 2 days rest. Dunno about Frankfurt.
Based upon this game....we are not going very far in the Cl competition.
Now, about our players.........
Son missed 2 very decent chances, both high over the bar. Other than that, he did send in a very good cross that Kane almost got his head on, just a bit too much fizz on the ball.
Rest of the game he was rather lost, running into trouble.
Kane also missed chances. But the Ref let Frankfurt get away with a hell of a lot of arm pulling on Kane. In fact Harry was getting pretty miffed about it, hence the yellow card towards the end.
Then the Ref gave Lenglet a yellow for one arm pull!!
Richarleson was a lost figure, never really doing anything with the ball. Not a very good night for Brazil's number 9 ... and they are supposedly one of the favourites for the WC!
Romero and Dier and Lenglet were decent.
Emerson tried hard all night to get down the right flank. He must learn to shoot because he put a very good chance into row Z. I do wish Conte would try another option on the right.
Betancur and Hojbjerg were solid. I wish Betancur was faster than he is.
Lloris saved the match, I'll say that, although he had little else to do all night.
I'm not at all impressed with Davies, or Gil. I lost count of the number of times Gil ended up sitting on his ass with his arms in air hoping for a lifeline from the Ref. I think it was 5 times in the few minutes he was on the pitch.
Sessignon might be ready for this level of competition, I'm not sure.
We'll see what happens at WHL....but I'm not going to hold my breath.
posted on 6/10/22
Oh...and if people think Bissouma is going to make much difference to this squad....they will be disappointed. We need a leader of the calibre of Kevin De Bruyne.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
From Sandy:
" I think Spurs are currently relying on about 15 players to see the season through in all probability. Conte does not seem to trust any more than that. "
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It was a Faaking horrible match from both sides.
Our excuse was 2 days rest. Dunno about Frankfurt.
Based upon this game....we are not going very far in the Cl competition.
Now, about our players.........
Son missed 2 very decent chances, both high over the bar. Other than that, he did send in a very good cross that Kane almost got his head on, just a bit too much fizz on the ball.
Rest of the game he was rather lost, running into trouble.
Kane also missed chances. But the Ref let Frankfurt get away with a hell of a lot of arm pulling on Kane. In fact Harry was getting pretty miffed about it, hence the yellow card towards the end.
Then the Ref gave Lenglet a yellow for one arm pull!!
Richarleson was a lost figure, never really doing anything with the ball. Not a very good night for Brazil's number 9 ... and they are supposedly one of the favourites for the WC!
Romero and Dier and Lenglet were decent.
Emerson tried hard all night to get down the right flank. He must learn to shoot because he put a very good chance into row Z. I do wish Conte would try another option on the right.
Betancur and Hojbjerg were solid. I wish Betancur was faster than he is.
Lloris saved the match, I'll say that, although he had little else to do all night.
I'm not at all impressed with Davies, or Gil. I lost count of the number of times Gil ended up sitting on his ass with his arms in air hoping for a lifeline from the Ref. I think it was 5 times in the few minutes he was on the pitch.
Sessignon might be ready for this level of competition, I'm not sure.
We'll see what happens at WHL....but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Bentancur is actually quite fast. I actually think he plays within himself..he shows signs of being an 8 instead of a 6. Him and Hojbjerg should take turns to support Kane and get in the box
posted on 6/10/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 14 hours, 32 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Steve, a cracking post founded in realism and a much greater degree of understanding of football than some of the moaners on here.
Your reference to 11 months ago is a very relevant point and some fans seem to forget where we are coming from: 2-3 years of struggles.
We all know we can play better, we have shown that in the run in last season.
But we are also a bit short in a couple of areas. an AM seems to be the obvious missing piece, but also a RWB with some attacking quality. We will see what Doherty/Spence can add over the next couple games. But we are nowhere near the position of the likes of City in having an interchangeable 2nd XI. That takes time.
Over the last 2 windows we have added some real quality and you cannot question that we are a much better and more successful unit than we have been since 2019.
People need to accept Conte for what he is and how he plays. They also need to temper their views with an understanding that we arent actually playing that well, havent hit the heights we have in the past, so there is more to come. Certainly the CL game was a much better level of play, pressing, moving the ball quicker, controlling possession. Created chances that should have been taken. And again, until that red card vs Arsenal, we were very much in that game. They scored a quality goal from range, and Huge/Romero error cost us, but some of the positions we worked were fantastic, let down by poor final ball. I can think of 3 chances were an easy ball would have led to a 1-on-1. I was sat with gooners watching that and they were happy to be leading but concerned that we were opening them up with a few passes and running at their backline.
Some people on here wanitng Conte gone, wanting Son sold, expecting us to be world beaters. I would say its the impatient modern FIFA playing, armchair fan attitude but i suspect many on here are actually pretty grown up fans who have watching us for years. The sort youd think would have a bit more perspective, less likely to wet their pants after a defeat.. Seemingly not.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
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This last post is just absurd. Every single pundit out there prior to the Frankfurt and Arsenal games were saying "it's a good sign to be winning and not playing well" and that Conte is a "serial winner". Those of us who actually WATCHED the games were warning that results and points weren't reflecting how poorly we'd been playing. Punditry doesn't come into it as we could see this coming. We knew more than they did as we probably scrutinise and analyse our our team more than they do.
On your other point, are Brighton doped? They play brilliant football. Attractive football is in no way linked to money. The only doped clubs are City and Chelsea so what of Liverpool? What's their excuse?
Honestly, everything you've just said is complete nonsense.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
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This last post is just absurd. Every single pundit out there prior to the Frankfurt and Arsenal games were saying "it's a good sign to be winning and not playing well" and that Conte is a "serial winner". Those of us who actually WATCHED the games were warning that results and points weren't reflecting how poorly we'd been playing. Punditry doesn't come into it as we could see this coming. We knew more than they did as we probably scrutinise and analyse our our team more than they do.
On your other point, are Brighton doped? They play brilliant football. Attractive football is in no way linked to money. The only doped clubs are City and Chelsea so what of Liverpool? What's their excuse?
Honestly, everything you've just said is complete nonsense.
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Its not about playing attractive football, per se, its about playing successful football. Spurs have played attractive football plenty under managers in the last couple decades and won sweet FA. The irony being probably the worst manager we've had is the only won who brought a cup.
If Spurs achieve Top 4 and a cup this season then that is as good a season as we have had in the entire history of the PL. All of that is very much on the table. Right now performances have not always been great but we know we can play better and much of this is as a result of the lack of quality shown by some players at times, players you expect to get quality performances out of.
To me, it doesnt matter if we play 433 or whatever IF Hugo is going to let the ball through his hands, if Son cannot control the ball and Kane's radar is off. But at least we remain well placed despite all of this
All the negativity is just knee jerking from unrealistic fans who seem to lack an understanding of football and what it takes to build a successful team.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
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This last post is just absurd. Every single pundit out there prior to the Frankfurt and Arsenal games were saying "it's a good sign to be winning and not playing well" and that Conte is a "serial winner". Those of us who actually WATCHED the games were warning that results and points weren't reflecting how poorly we'd been playing. Punditry doesn't come into it as we could see this coming. We knew more than they did as we probably scrutinise and analyse our our team more than they do.
On your other point, are Brighton doped? They play brilliant football. Attractive football is in no way linked to money. The only doped clubs are City and Chelsea so what of Liverpool? What's their excuse?
Honestly, everything you've just said is complete nonsense.
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It really isn't nonsense. It is a balanced view. Much more so than those that are having a breakdown because of one defeat.
posted on 6/10/22
Is it a wonder that other fans laugh at us when you read some of the tripe being written by some Spurs 'fans' on this and other threads?
posted on 6/10/22
It seems that Conte would have played Bissouma in a 3-5-2 against Arsenal & Frankfurt… but wasn’t deemed fit enough with ‘muscle fatigue’…
Also expect Perisic & Sessegnon to be the 2 wing backs against Brighton…
Surprised Skipp wasn’t given a chance to be in the 5 in midfield…
Bit risky playing Kane, Son & Richy all at once… with Kulu & Moura injured… & Gil considered lightweight…