A tye away from home in CL is never a bad tesult.
Not everybody can b Napoli u no
I think last was the exception, not the rule. I actually thought we looked pretty decent but were just so wasteful in front of goal. That said, I'm tired of Conte's lack of faith in new signings. It's been proven before that he's blind to the abilities of certain players. He bombed out Perisic to Bayern when he first went to Inter and only good fortune saw him return and get into the side. Now he loves him. Same for Eriksen when he first went there. Never got in the side and suddenly became pretty crucial in their title success. Now you could argue that something clicks tactically with them but I doubt that's always the case. I think what's more likely is that injury and lack of squad depth forces Conte's hand and he has to play these guys and suddenly realises they're not so bad after all. So we could be sitting on a pair of gems in Bissouma and Spence but we might not ever know. That's even more stark with Spence as the man who has his place is so underwhelming it's unreal. He's defensively sound but he doesn't need to be. He has 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders covering him should he bomb forward. He is unquestionably the wrong player for the system.
He's got to start giving these guys games because the fixtures come thick and fast. It's no good having your favoured eleven every week as the confidence will drain in those left out. I don't think he's managing the squad well at all.
Him angling for more in January I think is where the discontent will start. Levy will, quite rightly, say "look, we've given you Bissouma and you don't play him" or "We've given you Spence and you're not giving him game time to improve". We've spent so long wondering how long it will take Conte to get annoyed at Levy's methods, we didn't stop to consider that the reverse could also be true. Levy will be looking at what's happening with one eye on dwindling assets left to rot. It stands to reason he's probably more resistant to twisting again for his manager in January. I wouldn't mind betting there's an amicable parting of ways at the end of the year.
We actually missed a lot of chances. Should have at least come away with 2 goals. Performance wasn't as some fans make out. Away at Current Europa League champions with a decent manager.
I'm intrigued to see who Conte will play at Right Wing back against Brighton
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 minutes ago
I think last was the exception, not the rule. I actually thought we looked pretty decent but were just so wasteful in front of goal. That said, I'm tired of Conte's lack of faith in new signings. It's been proven before that he's blind to the abilities of certain players. He bombed out Perisic to Bayern when he first went to Inter and only good fortune saw him return and get into the side. Now he loves him. Same for Eriksen when he first went there. Never got in the side and suddenly became pretty crucial in their title success. Now you could argue that something clicks tactically with them but I doubt that's always the case. I think what's more likely is that injury and lack of squad depth forces Conte's hand and he has to play these guys and suddenly realises they're not so bad after all. So we could be sitting on a pair of gems in Bissouma and Spence but we might not ever know. That's even more stark with Spence as the man who has his place is so underwhelming it's unreal. He's defensively sound but he doesn't need to be. He has 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders covering him should he bomb forward. He is unquestionably the wrong player for the system.
He's got to start giving these guys games because the fixtures come thick and fast. It's no good having your favoured eleven every week as the confidence will drain in those left out. I don't think he's managing the squad well at all.
Him angling for more in January I think is where the discontent will start. Levy will, quite rightly, say "look, we've given you Bissouma and you don't play him" or "We've given you Spence and you're not giving him game time to improve". We've spent so long wondering how long it will take Conte to get annoyed at Levy's methods, we didn't stop to consider that the reverse could also be true. Levy will be looking at what's happening with one eye on dwindling assets left to rot. It stands to reason he's probably more resistant to twisting again for his manager in January. I wouldn't mind betting there's an amicable parting of ways at the end of the year.
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Paratici should save himself the headache and only sign players from Conte's former clubs. He doesn't seem to trust anyone that hasn't played for him or his clubs. Juve Chelsea or Inter players only moving forward.
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 minutes ago
I think last was the exception, not the rule. I actually thought we looked pretty decent but were just so wasteful in front of goal. That said, I'm tired of Conte's lack of faith in new signings. It's been proven before that he's blind to the abilities of certain players. He bombed out Perisic to Bayern when he first went to Inter and only good fortune saw him return and get into the side. Now he loves him. Same for Eriksen when he first went there. Never got in the side and suddenly became pretty crucial in their title success. Now you could argue that something clicks tactically with them but I doubt that's always the case. I think what's more likely is that injury and lack of squad depth forces Conte's hand and he has to play these guys and suddenly realises they're not so bad after all. So we could be sitting on a pair of gems in Bissouma and Spence but we might not ever know. That's even more stark with Spence as the man who has his place is so underwhelming it's unreal. He's defensively sound but he doesn't need to be. He has 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders covering him should he bomb forward. He is unquestionably the wrong player for the system.
He's got to start giving these guys games because the fixtures come thick and fast. It's no good having your favoured eleven every week as the confidence will drain in those left out. I don't think he's managing the squad well at all.
Him angling for more in January I think is where the discontent will start. Levy will, quite rightly, say "look, we've given you Bissouma and you don't play him" or "We've given you Spence and you're not giving him game time to improve". We've spent so long wondering how long it will take Conte to get annoyed at Levy's methods, we didn't stop to consider that the reverse could also be true. Levy will be looking at what's happening with one eye on dwindling assets left to rot. It stands to reason he's probably more resistant to twisting again for his manager in January. I wouldn't mind betting there's an amicable parting of ways at the end of the year.
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Paratici should save himself the headache and only sign players from Conte's former clubs. He doesn't seem to trust anyone that hasn't played for him or his clubs. Juve Chelsea or Inter players only moving forward.
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Tongue in cheek I assume?
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 13 minutes ago
I just think the problem is what it has been for the last four seasons. We don’t have that many very good players: Kane, Son, Kulu, maybe Perisic
We have lots of good players: Bentancur, Hojberg, Romero, Lenglet, Lloris, maybe Bissouma
Some average players: Royal, Richarlason, Sess, Dier, Sanchez, Doherty
Not many of our players are desirable to their teams around us.
We’re doing well with what we’ve got but they’re being made to play in a system that doesn’t really suit them. Conte is making them play 343 over and over again in the hope something changes. He should find a way to get the best out of the players he has imo
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The old adage from Henry Ford “that if you do what you have always done, you will get what you have gotten.”
However let’s see what the situation is in a few weeks.
Whilst it is not always pretty to watch, we have done okay without getting in to top gear.
Thought when we upped the pace last night we looked good, should have 3-4 goals, but could have let in a few too🤔
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
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You do realise all these things you think are happening in the press are only happening in your head, right? Surely?
What's happened to Skipp?
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
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You do realise all these things you think are happening in the press are only happening in your head, right? Surely?
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I think Steve has a point, Hawkeye. The press constantly mention Liverpool in a good light, and are very negative towards Spurs generally. As Steve says Liverpool are currently seven points behind Spurs, but you would think it was the other way round with all the negativity.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 minutes ago
I think last was the exception, not the rule. I actually thought we looked pretty decent but were just so wasteful in front of goal. That said, I'm tired of Conte's lack of faith in new signings. It's been proven before that he's blind to the abilities of certain players. He bombed out Perisic to Bayern when he first went to Inter and only good fortune saw him return and get into the side. Now he loves him. Same for Eriksen when he first went there. Never got in the side and suddenly became pretty crucial in their title success. Now you could argue that something clicks tactically with them but I doubt that's always the case. I think what's more likely is that injury and lack of squad depth forces Conte's hand and he has to play these guys and suddenly realises they're not so bad after all. So we could be sitting on a pair of gems in Bissouma and Spence but we might not ever know. That's even more stark with Spence as the man who has his place is so underwhelming it's unreal. He's defensively sound but he doesn't need to be. He has 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders covering him should he bomb forward. He is unquestionably the wrong player for the system.
He's got to start giving these guys games because the fixtures come thick and fast. It's no good having your favoured eleven every week as the confidence will drain in those left out. I don't think he's managing the squad well at all.
Him angling for more in January I think is where the discontent will start. Levy will, quite rightly, say "look, we've given you Bissouma and you don't play him" or "We've given you Spence and you're not giving him game time to improve". We've spent so long wondering how long it will take Conte to get annoyed at Levy's methods, we didn't stop to consider that the reverse could also be true. Levy will be looking at what's happening with one eye on dwindling assets left to rot. It stands to reason he's probably more resistant to twisting again for his manager in January. I wouldn't mind betting there's an amicable parting of ways at the end of the year.
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Paratici should save himself the headache and only sign players from Conte's former clubs. He doesn't seem to trust anyone that hasn't played for him or his clubs. Juve Chelsea or Inter players only moving forward.
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Tongue in cheek I assume?
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Some fans say..sign players with prem experience...when we do with Bissouma...he gets told he's not tactical enough despite having outplayed Conte's midfielders on a fee occasions last year
Bissouma could transform our midfield if only he was given a chance, he must be really slow to learn if he is taking this long to pick up Conte`s tactical side of the game.
When Bissouma signed I was expecting him to be an upgrade on Hojbjerg and therefore a stronger first XI, but he never gets a game. Midfield is an area where I reckon we could improve, so it is a strange situation.
comment by â—ŹBilly The Spurâ—Ź 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 10 minutes ago
Bissouma could transform our midfield if only he was given a chance, he must be really slow to learn if he is taking this long to pick up Conte`s tactical side of the game.
When Bissouma signed I was expecting him to be an upgrade on Hojbjerg and therefore a stronger first XI, but he never gets a game. Midfield is an area where I reckon we could improve, so it is a strange situation.
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Perhaps Skipp should be given a chance...is he injured?
From Sandy:
" I think Spurs are currently relying on about 15 players to see the season through in all probability. Conte does not seem to trust any more than that. "
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It was a Faaking horrible match from both sides.
Our excuse was 2 days rest. Dunno about Frankfurt.
Based upon this game....we are not going very far in the Cl competition.
Now, about our players.........
Son missed 2 very decent chances, both high over the bar. Other than that, he did send in a very good cross that Kane almost got his head on, just a bit too much fizz on the ball.
Rest of the game he was rather lost, running into trouble.
Kane also missed chances. But the Ref let Frankfurt get away with a hell of a lot of arm pulling on Kane. In fact Harry was getting pretty miffed about it, hence the yellow card towards the end.
Then the Ref gave Lenglet a yellow for one arm pull!!
Richarleson was a lost figure, never really doing anything with the ball. Not a very good night for Brazil's number 9 ... and they are supposedly one of the favourites for the WC!
Romero and Dier and Lenglet were decent.
Emerson tried hard all night to get down the right flank. He must learn to shoot because he put a very good chance into row Z. I do wish Conte would try another option on the right.
Betancur and Hojbjerg were solid. I wish Betancur was faster than he is.
Lloris saved the match, I'll say that, although he had little else to do all night.
I'm not at all impressed with Davies, or Gil. I lost count of the number of times Gil ended up sitting on his ass with his arms in air hoping for a lifeline from the Ref. I think it was 5 times in the few minutes he was on the pitch.
Sessignon might be ready for this level of competition, I'm not sure.
We'll see what happens at WHL....but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Oh...and if people think Bissouma is going to make much difference to this squad....they will be disappointed. We need a leader of the calibre of Kevin De Bruyne.
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
From Sandy:
" I think Spurs are currently relying on about 15 players to see the season through in all probability. Conte does not seem to trust any more than that. "
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It was a Faaking horrible match from both sides.
Our excuse was 2 days rest. Dunno about Frankfurt.
Based upon this game....we are not going very far in the Cl competition.
Now, about our players.........
Son missed 2 very decent chances, both high over the bar. Other than that, he did send in a very good cross that Kane almost got his head on, just a bit too much fizz on the ball.
Rest of the game he was rather lost, running into trouble.
Kane also missed chances. But the Ref let Frankfurt get away with a hell of a lot of arm pulling on Kane. In fact Harry was getting pretty miffed about it, hence the yellow card towards the end.
Then the Ref gave Lenglet a yellow for one arm pull!!
Richarleson was a lost figure, never really doing anything with the ball. Not a very good night for Brazil's number 9 ... and they are supposedly one of the favourites for the WC!
Romero and Dier and Lenglet were decent.
Emerson tried hard all night to get down the right flank. He must learn to shoot because he put a very good chance into row Z. I do wish Conte would try another option on the right.
Betancur and Hojbjerg were solid. I wish Betancur was faster than he is.
Lloris saved the match, I'll say that, although he had little else to do all night.
I'm not at all impressed with Davies, or Gil. I lost count of the number of times Gil ended up sitting on his ass with his arms in air hoping for a lifeline from the Ref. I think it was 5 times in the few minutes he was on the pitch.
Sessignon might be ready for this level of competition, I'm not sure.
We'll see what happens at WHL....but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Bentancur is actually quite fast. I actually think he plays within himself..he shows signs of being an 8 instead of a 6. Him and Hojbjerg should take turns to support Kane and get in the box
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 14 hours, 32 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Steve, a cracking post founded in realism and a much greater degree of understanding of football than some of the moaners on here.
Your reference to 11 months ago is a very relevant point and some fans seem to forget where we are coming from: 2-3 years of struggles.
We all know we can play better, we have shown that in the run in last season.
But we are also a bit short in a couple of areas. an AM seems to be the obvious missing piece, but also a RWB with some attacking quality. We will see what Doherty/Spence can add over the next couple games. But we are nowhere near the position of the likes of City in having an interchangeable 2nd XI. That takes time.
Over the last 2 windows we have added some real quality and you cannot question that we are a much better and more successful unit than we have been since 2019.
People need to accept Conte for what he is and how he plays. They also need to temper their views with an understanding that we arent actually playing that well, havent hit the heights we have in the past, so there is more to come. Certainly the CL game was a much better level of play, pressing, moving the ball quicker, controlling possession. Created chances that should have been taken. And again, until that red card vs Arsenal, we were very much in that game. They scored a quality goal from range, and Huge/Romero error cost us, but some of the positions we worked were fantastic, let down by poor final ball. I can think of 3 chances were an easy ball would have led to a 1-on-1. I was sat with gooners watching that and they were happy to be leading but concerned that we were opening them up with a few passes and running at their backline.
Some people on here wanitng Conte gone, wanting Son sold, expecting us to be world beaters. I would say its the impatient modern FIFA playing, armchair fan attitude but i suspect many on here are actually pretty grown up fans who have watching us for years. The sort youd think would have a bit more perspective, less likely to wet their pants after a defeat.. Seemingly not.
comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
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This last post is just absurd. Every single pundit out there prior to the Frankfurt and Arsenal games were saying "it's a good sign to be winning and not playing well" and that Conte is a "serial winner". Those of us who actually WATCHED the games were warning that results and points weren't reflecting how poorly we'd been playing. Punditry doesn't come into it as we could see this coming. We knew more than they did as we probably scrutinise and analyse our our team more than they do.
On your other point, are Brighton doped? They play brilliant football. Attractive football is in no way linked to money. The only doped clubs are City and Chelsea so what of Liverpool? What's their excuse?
Honestly, everything you've just said is complete nonsense.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
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This last post is just absurd. Every single pundit out there prior to the Frankfurt and Arsenal games were saying "it's a good sign to be winning and not playing well" and that Conte is a "serial winner". Those of us who actually WATCHED the games were warning that results and points weren't reflecting how poorly we'd been playing. Punditry doesn't come into it as we could see this coming. We knew more than they did as we probably scrutinise and analyse our our team more than they do.
On your other point, are Brighton doped? They play brilliant football. Attractive football is in no way linked to money. The only doped clubs are City and Chelsea so what of Liverpool? What's their excuse?
Honestly, everything you've just said is complete nonsense.
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Its not about playing attractive football, per se, its about playing successful football. Spurs have played attractive football plenty under managers in the last couple decades and won sweet FA. The irony being probably the worst manager we've had is the only won who brought a cup.
If Spurs achieve Top 4 and a cup this season then that is as good a season as we have had in the entire history of the PL. All of that is very much on the table. Right now performances have not always been great but we know we can play better and much of this is as a result of the lack of quality shown by some players at times, players you expect to get quality performances out of.
To me, it doesnt matter if we play 433 or whatever IF Hugo is going to let the ball through his hands, if Son cannot control the ball and Kane's radar is off. But at least we remain well placed despite all of this
All the negativity is just knee jerking from unrealistic fans who seem to lack an understanding of football and what it takes to build a successful team.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
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This last post is just absurd. Every single pundit out there prior to the Frankfurt and Arsenal games were saying "it's a good sign to be winning and not playing well" and that Conte is a "serial winner". Those of us who actually WATCHED the games were warning that results and points weren't reflecting how poorly we'd been playing. Punditry doesn't come into it as we could see this coming. We knew more than they did as we probably scrutinise and analyse our our team more than they do.
On your other point, are Brighton doped? They play brilliant football. Attractive football is in no way linked to money. The only doped clubs are City and Chelsea so what of Liverpool? What's their excuse?
Honestly, everything you've just said is complete nonsense.
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It really isn't nonsense. It is a balanced view. Much more so than those that are having a breakdown because of one defeat.
Is it a wonder that other fans laugh at us when you read some of the tripe being written by some Spurs 'fans' on this and other threads?
It seems that Conte would have played Bissouma in a 3-5-2 against Arsenal & Frankfurt… but wasn’t deemed fit enough with ‘muscle fatigue’…
Also expect Perisic & Sessegnon to be the 2 wing backs against Brighton…
Surprised Skipp wasn’t given a chance to be in the 5 in midfield…
Bit risky playing Kane, Son & Richy all at once… with Kulu & Moura injured… & Gil considered lightweight…
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posted on 5/10/22
A tye away from home in CL is never a bad tesult.
Not everybody can b Napoli u no
posted on 5/10/22
I think last was the exception, not the rule. I actually thought we looked pretty decent but were just so wasteful in front of goal. That said, I'm tired of Conte's lack of faith in new signings. It's been proven before that he's blind to the abilities of certain players. He bombed out Perisic to Bayern when he first went to Inter and only good fortune saw him return and get into the side. Now he loves him. Same for Eriksen when he first went there. Never got in the side and suddenly became pretty crucial in their title success. Now you could argue that something clicks tactically with them but I doubt that's always the case. I think what's more likely is that injury and lack of squad depth forces Conte's hand and he has to play these guys and suddenly realises they're not so bad after all. So we could be sitting on a pair of gems in Bissouma and Spence but we might not ever know. That's even more stark with Spence as the man who has his place is so underwhelming it's unreal. He's defensively sound but he doesn't need to be. He has 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders covering him should he bomb forward. He is unquestionably the wrong player for the system.
He's got to start giving these guys games because the fixtures come thick and fast. It's no good having your favoured eleven every week as the confidence will drain in those left out. I don't think he's managing the squad well at all.
Him angling for more in January I think is where the discontent will start. Levy will, quite rightly, say "look, we've given you Bissouma and you don't play him" or "We've given you Spence and you're not giving him game time to improve". We've spent so long wondering how long it will take Conte to get annoyed at Levy's methods, we didn't stop to consider that the reverse could also be true. Levy will be looking at what's happening with one eye on dwindling assets left to rot. It stands to reason he's probably more resistant to twisting again for his manager in January. I wouldn't mind betting there's an amicable parting of ways at the end of the year.
posted on 5/10/22
We actually missed a lot of chances. Should have at least come away with 2 goals. Performance wasn't as some fans make out. Away at Current Europa League champions with a decent manager.
I'm intrigued to see who Conte will play at Right Wing back against Brighton
posted on 5/10/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 minutes ago
I think last was the exception, not the rule. I actually thought we looked pretty decent but were just so wasteful in front of goal. That said, I'm tired of Conte's lack of faith in new signings. It's been proven before that he's blind to the abilities of certain players. He bombed out Perisic to Bayern when he first went to Inter and only good fortune saw him return and get into the side. Now he loves him. Same for Eriksen when he first went there. Never got in the side and suddenly became pretty crucial in their title success. Now you could argue that something clicks tactically with them but I doubt that's always the case. I think what's more likely is that injury and lack of squad depth forces Conte's hand and he has to play these guys and suddenly realises they're not so bad after all. So we could be sitting on a pair of gems in Bissouma and Spence but we might not ever know. That's even more stark with Spence as the man who has his place is so underwhelming it's unreal. He's defensively sound but he doesn't need to be. He has 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders covering him should he bomb forward. He is unquestionably the wrong player for the system.
He's got to start giving these guys games because the fixtures come thick and fast. It's no good having your favoured eleven every week as the confidence will drain in those left out. I don't think he's managing the squad well at all.
Him angling for more in January I think is where the discontent will start. Levy will, quite rightly, say "look, we've given you Bissouma and you don't play him" or "We've given you Spence and you're not giving him game time to improve". We've spent so long wondering how long it will take Conte to get annoyed at Levy's methods, we didn't stop to consider that the reverse could also be true. Levy will be looking at what's happening with one eye on dwindling assets left to rot. It stands to reason he's probably more resistant to twisting again for his manager in January. I wouldn't mind betting there's an amicable parting of ways at the end of the year.
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Paratici should save himself the headache and only sign players from Conte's former clubs. He doesn't seem to trust anyone that hasn't played for him or his clubs. Juve Chelsea or Inter players only moving forward.
posted on 5/10/22
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 minutes ago
I think last was the exception, not the rule. I actually thought we looked pretty decent but were just so wasteful in front of goal. That said, I'm tired of Conte's lack of faith in new signings. It's been proven before that he's blind to the abilities of certain players. He bombed out Perisic to Bayern when he first went to Inter and only good fortune saw him return and get into the side. Now he loves him. Same for Eriksen when he first went there. Never got in the side and suddenly became pretty crucial in their title success. Now you could argue that something clicks tactically with them but I doubt that's always the case. I think what's more likely is that injury and lack of squad depth forces Conte's hand and he has to play these guys and suddenly realises they're not so bad after all. So we could be sitting on a pair of gems in Bissouma and Spence but we might not ever know. That's even more stark with Spence as the man who has his place is so underwhelming it's unreal. He's defensively sound but he doesn't need to be. He has 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders covering him should he bomb forward. He is unquestionably the wrong player for the system.
He's got to start giving these guys games because the fixtures come thick and fast. It's no good having your favoured eleven every week as the confidence will drain in those left out. I don't think he's managing the squad well at all.
Him angling for more in January I think is where the discontent will start. Levy will, quite rightly, say "look, we've given you Bissouma and you don't play him" or "We've given you Spence and you're not giving him game time to improve". We've spent so long wondering how long it will take Conte to get annoyed at Levy's methods, we didn't stop to consider that the reverse could also be true. Levy will be looking at what's happening with one eye on dwindling assets left to rot. It stands to reason he's probably more resistant to twisting again for his manager in January. I wouldn't mind betting there's an amicable parting of ways at the end of the year.
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Paratici should save himself the headache and only sign players from Conte's former clubs. He doesn't seem to trust anyone that hasn't played for him or his clubs. Juve Chelsea or Inter players only moving forward.
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Tongue in cheek I assume?
posted on 5/10/22
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
posted on 5/10/22
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
posted on 5/10/22
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posted on 5/10/22
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 13 minutes ago
I just think the problem is what it has been for the last four seasons. We don’t have that many very good players: Kane, Son, Kulu, maybe Perisic
We have lots of good players: Bentancur, Hojberg, Romero, Lenglet, Lloris, maybe Bissouma
Some average players: Royal, Richarlason, Sess, Dier, Sanchez, Doherty
Not many of our players are desirable to their teams around us.
We’re doing well with what we’ve got but they’re being made to play in a system that doesn’t really suit them. Conte is making them play 343 over and over again in the hope something changes. He should find a way to get the best out of the players he has imo
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The old adage from Henry Ford “that if you do what you have always done, you will get what you have gotten.”
However let’s see what the situation is in a few weeks.
Whilst it is not always pretty to watch, we have done okay without getting in to top gear.
Thought when we upped the pace last night we looked good, should have 3-4 goals, but could have let in a few too🤔
posted on 5/10/22
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
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You do realise all these things you think are happening in the press are only happening in your head, right? Surely?
posted on 5/10/22
What's happened to Skipp?
posted on 5/10/22
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
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You do realise all these things you think are happening in the press are only happening in your head, right? Surely?
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I think Steve has a point, Hawkeye. The press constantly mention Liverpool in a good light, and are very negative towards Spurs generally. As Steve says Liverpool are currently seven points behind Spurs, but you would think it was the other way round with all the negativity.
posted on 5/10/22
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 minutes ago
I think last was the exception, not the rule. I actually thought we looked pretty decent but were just so wasteful in front of goal. That said, I'm tired of Conte's lack of faith in new signings. It's been proven before that he's blind to the abilities of certain players. He bombed out Perisic to Bayern when he first went to Inter and only good fortune saw him return and get into the side. Now he loves him. Same for Eriksen when he first went there. Never got in the side and suddenly became pretty crucial in their title success. Now you could argue that something clicks tactically with them but I doubt that's always the case. I think what's more likely is that injury and lack of squad depth forces Conte's hand and he has to play these guys and suddenly realises they're not so bad after all. So we could be sitting on a pair of gems in Bissouma and Spence but we might not ever know. That's even more stark with Spence as the man who has his place is so underwhelming it's unreal. He's defensively sound but he doesn't need to be. He has 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders covering him should he bomb forward. He is unquestionably the wrong player for the system.
He's got to start giving these guys games because the fixtures come thick and fast. It's no good having your favoured eleven every week as the confidence will drain in those left out. I don't think he's managing the squad well at all.
Him angling for more in January I think is where the discontent will start. Levy will, quite rightly, say "look, we've given you Bissouma and you don't play him" or "We've given you Spence and you're not giving him game time to improve". We've spent so long wondering how long it will take Conte to get annoyed at Levy's methods, we didn't stop to consider that the reverse could also be true. Levy will be looking at what's happening with one eye on dwindling assets left to rot. It stands to reason he's probably more resistant to twisting again for his manager in January. I wouldn't mind betting there's an amicable parting of ways at the end of the year.
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Paratici should save himself the headache and only sign players from Conte's former clubs. He doesn't seem to trust anyone that hasn't played for him or his clubs. Juve Chelsea or Inter players only moving forward.
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Tongue in cheek I assume?
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Some fans say..sign players with prem experience...when we do with Bissouma...he gets told he's not tactical enough despite having outplayed Conte's midfielders on a fee occasions last year
posted on 5/10/22
Bissouma could transform our midfield if only he was given a chance, he must be really slow to learn if he is taking this long to pick up Conte`s tactical side of the game.
When Bissouma signed I was expecting him to be an upgrade on Hojbjerg and therefore a stronger first XI, but he never gets a game. Midfield is an area where I reckon we could improve, so it is a strange situation.
posted on 5/10/22
comment by â—ŹBilly The Spurâ—Ź 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 10 minutes ago
Bissouma could transform our midfield if only he was given a chance, he must be really slow to learn if he is taking this long to pick up Conte`s tactical side of the game.
When Bissouma signed I was expecting him to be an upgrade on Hojbjerg and therefore a stronger first XI, but he never gets a game. Midfield is an area where I reckon we could improve, so it is a strange situation.
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Perhaps Skipp should be given a chance...is he injured?
posted on 6/10/22
From Sandy:
" I think Spurs are currently relying on about 15 players to see the season through in all probability. Conte does not seem to trust any more than that. "
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It was a Faaking horrible match from both sides.
Our excuse was 2 days rest. Dunno about Frankfurt.
Based upon this game....we are not going very far in the Cl competition.
Now, about our players.........
Son missed 2 very decent chances, both high over the bar. Other than that, he did send in a very good cross that Kane almost got his head on, just a bit too much fizz on the ball.
Rest of the game he was rather lost, running into trouble.
Kane also missed chances. But the Ref let Frankfurt get away with a hell of a lot of arm pulling on Kane. In fact Harry was getting pretty miffed about it, hence the yellow card towards the end.
Then the Ref gave Lenglet a yellow for one arm pull!!
Richarleson was a lost figure, never really doing anything with the ball. Not a very good night for Brazil's number 9 ... and they are supposedly one of the favourites for the WC!
Romero and Dier and Lenglet were decent.
Emerson tried hard all night to get down the right flank. He must learn to shoot because he put a very good chance into row Z. I do wish Conte would try another option on the right.
Betancur and Hojbjerg were solid. I wish Betancur was faster than he is.
Lloris saved the match, I'll say that, although he had little else to do all night.
I'm not at all impressed with Davies, or Gil. I lost count of the number of times Gil ended up sitting on his ass with his arms in air hoping for a lifeline from the Ref. I think it was 5 times in the few minutes he was on the pitch.
Sessignon might be ready for this level of competition, I'm not sure.
We'll see what happens at WHL....but I'm not going to hold my breath.
posted on 6/10/22
Oh...and if people think Bissouma is going to make much difference to this squad....they will be disappointed. We need a leader of the calibre of Kevin De Bruyne.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
From Sandy:
" I think Spurs are currently relying on about 15 players to see the season through in all probability. Conte does not seem to trust any more than that. "
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It was a Faaking horrible match from both sides.
Our excuse was 2 days rest. Dunno about Frankfurt.
Based upon this game....we are not going very far in the Cl competition.
Now, about our players.........
Son missed 2 very decent chances, both high over the bar. Other than that, he did send in a very good cross that Kane almost got his head on, just a bit too much fizz on the ball.
Rest of the game he was rather lost, running into trouble.
Kane also missed chances. But the Ref let Frankfurt get away with a hell of a lot of arm pulling on Kane. In fact Harry was getting pretty miffed about it, hence the yellow card towards the end.
Then the Ref gave Lenglet a yellow for one arm pull!!
Richarleson was a lost figure, never really doing anything with the ball. Not a very good night for Brazil's number 9 ... and they are supposedly one of the favourites for the WC!
Romero and Dier and Lenglet were decent.
Emerson tried hard all night to get down the right flank. He must learn to shoot because he put a very good chance into row Z. I do wish Conte would try another option on the right.
Betancur and Hojbjerg were solid. I wish Betancur was faster than he is.
Lloris saved the match, I'll say that, although he had little else to do all night.
I'm not at all impressed with Davies, or Gil. I lost count of the number of times Gil ended up sitting on his ass with his arms in air hoping for a lifeline from the Ref. I think it was 5 times in the few minutes he was on the pitch.
Sessignon might be ready for this level of competition, I'm not sure.
We'll see what happens at WHL....but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Bentancur is actually quite fast. I actually think he plays within himself..he shows signs of being an 8 instead of a 6. Him and Hojbjerg should take turns to support Kane and get in the box
posted on 6/10/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 14 hours, 32 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Steve, a cracking post founded in realism and a much greater degree of understanding of football than some of the moaners on here.
Your reference to 11 months ago is a very relevant point and some fans seem to forget where we are coming from: 2-3 years of struggles.
We all know we can play better, we have shown that in the run in last season.
But we are also a bit short in a couple of areas. an AM seems to be the obvious missing piece, but also a RWB with some attacking quality. We will see what Doherty/Spence can add over the next couple games. But we are nowhere near the position of the likes of City in having an interchangeable 2nd XI. That takes time.
Over the last 2 windows we have added some real quality and you cannot question that we are a much better and more successful unit than we have been since 2019.
People need to accept Conte for what he is and how he plays. They also need to temper their views with an understanding that we arent actually playing that well, havent hit the heights we have in the past, so there is more to come. Certainly the CL game was a much better level of play, pressing, moving the ball quicker, controlling possession. Created chances that should have been taken. And again, until that red card vs Arsenal, we were very much in that game. They scored a quality goal from range, and Huge/Romero error cost us, but some of the positions we worked were fantastic, let down by poor final ball. I can think of 3 chances were an easy ball would have led to a 1-on-1. I was sat with gooners watching that and they were happy to be leading but concerned that we were opening them up with a few passes and running at their backline.
Some people on here wanitng Conte gone, wanting Son sold, expecting us to be world beaters. I would say its the impatient modern FIFA playing, armchair fan attitude but i suspect many on here are actually pretty grown up fans who have watching us for years. The sort youd think would have a bit more perspective, less likely to wet their pants after a defeat.. Seemingly not.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
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This last post is just absurd. Every single pundit out there prior to the Frankfurt and Arsenal games were saying "it's a good sign to be winning and not playing well" and that Conte is a "serial winner". Those of us who actually WATCHED the games were warning that results and points weren't reflecting how poorly we'd been playing. Punditry doesn't come into it as we could see this coming. We knew more than they did as we probably scrutinise and analyse our our team more than they do.
On your other point, are Brighton doped? They play brilliant football. Attractive football is in no way linked to money. The only doped clubs are City and Chelsea so what of Liverpool? What's their excuse?
Honestly, everything you've just said is complete nonsense.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
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This last post is just absurd. Every single pundit out there prior to the Frankfurt and Arsenal games were saying "it's a good sign to be winning and not playing well" and that Conte is a "serial winner". Those of us who actually WATCHED the games were warning that results and points weren't reflecting how poorly we'd been playing. Punditry doesn't come into it as we could see this coming. We knew more than they did as we probably scrutinise and analyse our our team more than they do.
On your other point, are Brighton doped? They play brilliant football. Attractive football is in no way linked to money. The only doped clubs are City and Chelsea so what of Liverpool? What's their excuse?
Honestly, everything you've just said is complete nonsense.
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Its not about playing attractive football, per se, its about playing successful football. Spurs have played attractive football plenty under managers in the last couple decades and won sweet FA. The irony being probably the worst manager we've had is the only won who brought a cup.
If Spurs achieve Top 4 and a cup this season then that is as good a season as we have had in the entire history of the PL. All of that is very much on the table. Right now performances have not always been great but we know we can play better and much of this is as a result of the lack of quality shown by some players at times, players you expect to get quality performances out of.
To me, it doesnt matter if we play 433 or whatever IF Hugo is going to let the ball through his hands, if Son cannot control the ball and Kane's radar is off. But at least we remain well placed despite all of this
All the negativity is just knee jerking from unrealistic fans who seem to lack an understanding of football and what it takes to build a successful team.
posted on 6/10/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by SimonB (U22811)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 19 minutes ago
Not sure what all the negativity is all about. Perhaps fans are starting to believe the constant pundit rubbish. You know the same people who keep telling us "don't worry, Liverpool are not quite there" when 7 points behind Spurs, who are constantly inches from oblivion.
Personally, given we were away to the current Europa League holders, who may I remind everyone, were seeded in pot one, and one of the better German teams, a draw in a game where we missed several quality chances, frankly is not a bad result.
In terms of the actual performance, following the expected early home team attacking, I felt we controlled most of the game for the last 30 minutes of the first half, and looked the better team for most of the second half.
Our defense was solid and Hugo had hardly anything to do. Our main problem is clearly with our front three, and this ongoing problem of getting outnumbered in the middle.
Kane was ok, but lacked urgency for large periods of the game. Son is just rushing and snatching at everything, including his basic passing which is being over hit all the time. The guy just needs to be told to calm down. Kulu, obviously, is a big miss in this area of the pitch.
So, unless I am missing something, it always has been the case in group formats that you win your home games, don't lose your away games, and you will qualify every time.
Yeah, winning this group would be nice, but with the depth of quality in the CL, coming second and therefore not seeded in the knockout stages really is not a big deal anymore. You could easily finish top, then draw Barca.
There seems to be a "lets all get down on Spurs" movement at the moment, which I find ridiculous. This time last year, we were in that Conference thingy ( that everyone was laughing at ) had just sacked our Manager, and were absolutely nowhere in the PL. We are now competing at the top table, and are comfortably third in the PL, having lost just one game, primarily due to a Hugo fack up and a red card.
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Good post Steve. I also don`t get all the negativity. You would think Spurs were not in the CL and bottom of the Prem the way some of our entitled supporters behave.
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Great posts Steve and Sandy. I totally agree with Steve's post that Frankfurt are a better team than us because they've won a trophy in the past season, so to get a point away from home against them is something to be celebrated.
I do get the negativity, but only in the sense that every other Spurs fan on here believes the biased media who think we are rubbish just because we're not playing the greatest football that financial doping can buy, None of them seem to realise that it's actually possible to have your own opinion from actually watching matches, and would rather listen to what Roy Keane and Micah Richards have to say,and then parrot their opinions.
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This last post is just absurd. Every single pundit out there prior to the Frankfurt and Arsenal games were saying "it's a good sign to be winning and not playing well" and that Conte is a "serial winner". Those of us who actually WATCHED the games were warning that results and points weren't reflecting how poorly we'd been playing. Punditry doesn't come into it as we could see this coming. We knew more than they did as we probably scrutinise and analyse our our team more than they do.
On your other point, are Brighton doped? They play brilliant football. Attractive football is in no way linked to money. The only doped clubs are City and Chelsea so what of Liverpool? What's their excuse?
Honestly, everything you've just said is complete nonsense.
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It really isn't nonsense. It is a balanced view. Much more so than those that are having a breakdown because of one defeat.
posted on 6/10/22
Is it a wonder that other fans laugh at us when you read some of the tripe being written by some Spurs 'fans' on this and other threads?
posted on 6/10/22
It seems that Conte would have played Bissouma in a 3-5-2 against Arsenal & Frankfurt… but wasn’t deemed fit enough with ‘muscle fatigue’…
Also expect Perisic & Sessegnon to be the 2 wing backs against Brighton…
Surprised Skipp wasn’t given a chance to be in the 5 in midfield…
Bit risky playing Kane, Son & Richy all at once… with Kulu & Moura injured… & Gil considered lightweight…
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