We all know what happened with our club under Pochettino. On the cusp of greatness, but lack of investment by the bald one and certain players getting old, plus with Pochettino’s methods and high intensity, the same almost unchanged team for years finally catching up and them becoming tired and incredibly fatigued. Is this exactly the same happening at Liverpool right now?
I don’t think they have invested in anywhere near enough quality which is exactly what Spurs did. They lost a top quality player in Mane and haven’t really replaced him. Diaz is a decent player, but he’s nothing on a prime Mane not a chance. Klopps high intensity style seems to have finally caught up on a ageing Liverpool squad which was exactly the same with us under Pochettino.
Can Spurs fans see similarities on how we suddenly took a nosedive under Pochettino?
Liverpool like Pochettino’s Spurs?
posted on 10/10/22
Diaz is rated higher than Mane when he joined us. Mane didn't become world class overnight and neither will Diaz.
Most big managers have periods of success followed by periods of rebuilding and then success again. That's what's happening at Liverpool IMO which is different from Spurs Pochettino as they were never really a successful team to begin with can't justify a period of rebuilding.
Spurs Pochettino failed at the first hurdle, that initial success evaded them, but Klopp has already cleared that hurdle and now the question is whether he can do it again. The question for Poch was whether he could do it at all.
posted on 10/10/22
Exactly the same, apart from the cusp of greatness bit. They won everything going and you won f&ck all.
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Liverpool did nothing in the sport.
posted on 10/10/22
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 9 minutes ago
Exactly the same, apart from the cusp of greatness bit. They won everything going and you won f&ck all.
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Liverpool did nothing in the sport.
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posted on 10/10/22
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
I did think about this yesterday after their defeat. There are some similarities for sure. The big difference of course is that Klopp got Liverpool over the line in the PL, CL and EFL Cup, whereas Poch at Spurs finished runner up in all three of these comps.
Liverpool have spent bigger on players than Spurs did under Poch - they’ve bought several £40m-ish players plus went £70m plus on Alison & VVD, Poch never really spent big until his last summer, mostly because we were funding then building the new ground, by which time the horse had bolted.
But yes, in terms of a level of intensity and a core group of players that have peaked and then aged together, and a feeling of staleness it would seem they are in a similar position to us in 2019. The irony is they were the biggest beneficiaries of our decline around that time as we were at rock bottom under Poch and Liverpool were hitting their peak under Klopp when the two teams met in the CL final.
We went on this run of replacing our best players with inferior ones; Alderweireld & Vertonghen for Dier and Sanchez, Walker and Rose for Aurier and Davies, Dembele and Eriksen for Ndombele and GLC. Money was spent, but we couldn’t replicate the quality of Poch’s original team. Liverpool are in that rebuild scenario now; their front 3 did insane numbers for them, replacing that is gonna be very challenging. The industrious central midfield and imperious VVD all look the coming down the other side of the hill. Klopp has his first major rebuild to do, I suppose in the way Ferguson did several times at Utd and Wenger did at Arsenal after his first title winning team of 98 broke up.
Poch was too burnt out to manage the rebuild, we needed a new coach but the issue was Levy went wrong with Jose and Nuno and set us back a couple of years. Klopp is still 100% the ma for the job at Liverpool but he needs time and resources really, which he’s more than earned.
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posted on 10/10/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by TopForm (U15726)
posted 36 minutes ago
Exactly the same, apart from the cusp of greatness bit. They won everything going and you won f&ck all.
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Go away you gooner melt. This doesn’t concern average Europa league teams.
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He ruins every article Don, with his absolute nonsense. Just filter him.
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He won't be here after Xmas
posted on 10/10/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Diaz is rated higher than Mane when he joined us. Mane didn't become world class overnight and neither will Diaz.
Most big managers have periods of success followed by periods of rebuilding and then success again. That's what's happening at Liverpool IMO which is different from Spurs Pochettino as they were never really a successful team to begin with can't justify a period of rebuilding.
Spurs Pochettino failed at the first hurdle, that initial success evaded them, but Klopp has already cleared that hurdle and now the question is whether he can do it again. The question for Poch was whether he could do it at all.
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Poch has achieved a miracle on a budget that was fraction of Klopp's.
If we were to compare them, on the budget itself, Poch has achieved more than Klopp. The diff is Liverpool FC and FSG by extension, backed Klopp at the right time with the right player purchaes. Poch instead lost one of the best midfielders in England in Moussa Dembele and he was never backed at all. If you see the comparison in those lights, it is remarkable how much Poch had achieved.
Klopp of course won the silverware after being backed to the tune of millions of pounds, whereas poor Poch was asked to carry on performing miracles, but all success need money at some point.
Pound for Pound (£, Poch has achieved as well as Klopp imo.
posted on 10/10/22
Klopp had referees giving him a huge leg up at key moments, Poch didn`t.
posted on 10/10/22
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Diaz is rated higher than Mane when he joined us. Mane didn't become world class overnight and neither will Diaz.
Most big managers have periods of success followed by periods of rebuilding and then success again. That's what's happening at Liverpool IMO which is different from Spurs Pochettino as they were never really a successful team to begin with can't justify a period of rebuilding.
Spurs Pochettino failed at the first hurdle, that initial success evaded them, but Klopp has already cleared that hurdle and now the question is whether he can do it again. The question for Poch was whether he could do it at all.
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Poch has achieved a miracle on a budget that was fraction of Klopp's.
If we were to compare them, on the budget itself, Poch has achieved more than Klopp. The diff is Liverpool FC and FSG by extension, backed Klopp at the right time with the right player purchaes. Poch instead lost one of the best midfielders in England in Moussa Dembele and he was never backed at all. If you see the comparison in those lights, it is remarkable how much Poch had achieved.
Klopp of course won the silverware after being backed to the tune of millions of pounds, whereas poor Poch was asked to carry on performing miracles, but all success need money at some point.
Pound for Pound (£, Poch has achieved as well as Klopp imo.
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Morespurs, to be fair Poch was given a fair bit to spend. Just didn't spend it wisely. He made some truely awful purchases. So cannot really use that old Chestnut that he wasn't backed. He was. Maybe not Man City type backing, but he spent quite a bit.
posted on 10/10/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Diaz is rated higher than Mane when he joined us. Mane didn't become world class overnight and neither will Diaz.
Most big managers have periods of success followed by periods of rebuilding and then success again. That's what's happening at Liverpool IMO which is different from Spurs Pochettino as they were never really a successful team to begin with can't justify a period of rebuilding.
Spurs Pochettino failed at the first hurdle, that initial success evaded them, but Klopp has already cleared that hurdle and now the question is whether he can do it again. The question for Poch was whether he could do it at all.
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Poch has achieved a miracle on a budget that was fraction of Klopp's.
If we were to compare them, on the budget itself, Poch has achieved more than Klopp. The diff is Liverpool FC and FSG by extension, backed Klopp at the right time with the right player purchaes. Poch instead lost one of the best midfielders in England in Moussa Dembele and he was never backed at all. If you see the comparison in those lights, it is remarkable how much Poch had achieved.
Klopp of course won the silverware after being backed to the tune of millions of pounds, whereas poor Poch was asked to carry on performing miracles, but all success need money at some point.
Pound for Pound (£, Poch has achieved as well as Klopp imo.
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Morespurs, to be fair Poch was given a fair bit to spend. Just didn't spend it wisely. He made some truely awful purchases. So cannot really use that old Chestnut that he wasn't backed. He was. Maybe not Man City type backing, but he spent quite a bit.
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Sandy we do know Poch git backed in the end but all at the wrong time, with very little and all ending up in poor purchases when the team was already in dire need of a total overhaul. Too little, too late.
posted on 10/10/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Diaz is rated higher than Mane when he joined us. Mane didn't become world class overnight and neither will Diaz.
Most big managers have periods of success followed by periods of rebuilding and then success again. That's what's happening at Liverpool IMO which is different from Spurs Pochettino as they were never really a successful team to begin with can't justify a period of rebuilding.
Spurs Pochettino failed at the first hurdle, that initial success evaded them, but Klopp has already cleared that hurdle and now the question is whether he can do it again. The question for Poch was whether he could do it at all.
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Poch has achieved a miracle on a budget that was fraction of Klopp's.
If we were to compare them, on the budget itself, Poch has achieved more than Klopp. The diff is Liverpool FC and FSG by extension, backed Klopp at the right time with the right player purchaes. Poch instead lost one of the best midfielders in England in Moussa Dembele and he was never backed at all. If you see the comparison in those lights, it is remarkable how much Poch had achieved.
Klopp of course won the silverware after being backed to the tune of millions of pounds, whereas poor Poch was asked to carry on performing miracles, but all success need money at some point.
Pound for Pound (£, Poch has achieved as well as Klopp imo.
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Morespurs, to be fair Poch was given a fair bit to spend. Just didn't spend it wisely. He made some truely awful purchases. So cannot really use that old Chestnut that he wasn't backed. He was. Maybe not Man City type backing, but he spent quite a bit.
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Poch never lost any players he didn't want to lose.
Of course there is no mention of the fact that we sold Coutinho to find a few big transfers.
Imagine if Poch had lost Son early on and had to use that money to replace him. There's no guarantee the new player would be anywhere near as good as Son. It's not easy at all.
Overall, Spurs net spend was higher than Liverpool's