The five stages grief are generally defined as
1. Denial.
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
When it comes to Leicester - I’d say our fans are going through the different stages at different times. Last night I felt like TB had a revelation and jumped through all 5 of them in 30 seconds
1. Denial. For Leicester fans this usually starts with “we’re too good to go down", “if Rodgers gets sacked this squad will see us competing at the top end again", “We’ll have a clear out in the summer and then we’ll rebuild", “One game closer to Rodgers going - any day now"
2. Anger. You could say I’ve been in that stage for 2 years. You can’t believe what you’re seeing. You’re fuming every time Amartey misplaces a pass to give away another goal. Rodgers makes 3 HT subs that cost us the game and you kick the TV. Rodgers gives another BS press conference full of excuses. You start to wonder “who is to blame?"
3. Bargaining. This is all about how to make yourself feel better and kidding yourself that something could actually stop the path we’re headed towards. You’ll see on FoxesTalk “Hey let’s get a banner up with sack Rodgers", “Board missing in action" “Rudkin out" etc. Let’s make our feelings known - maybe if we stop attending games Top will listen
4. Depression. I think last nights result felt like the transition into stage 4 for many of us. As nothing changes and the situation gets worse you start feeling more powerless and more fed up.
5. Acceptance. Which is where TB finally got to and I think others are now getting there as well. The realisation that this is it. The golden period is over and when Vichai tragically lost his life, the very heart of that period was lost too. The realisation that Top isn’t his father and can’t emulate the same success, ambition and direction. The realisation that’s it too late - the club has been left to rot from the inside and it’s a long way back
Are we all at acceptance yet??
The 5 Stages of Grief
posted on 1/3/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
You`ll never be more than a mid table PL club long term, your PL and FA Cup wins were a once in a lifetime occurrence. You are more likely to slip back into the Championship than to repeat that success.
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This aged well.
posted on 1/3/23
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I’m still bargaining I the main. But I have acceptance too.
I still have hope that this horrific decline can be halted and Rodgers will once again prove me wrong and turn around a slump (for the 2”3rd time it would be remember).
But then I watch a performance like last night and I just accept that if we go down, we will entirely deserve it.
So I’ve become almost apathetic towards it, which I think is a tragedy in itself. I’ve stopped caring about how bad we are and just accept that Rodger will continue to suck the soul out of this team. We’re played with fear under him. Players look done.
But I’m still bargaining. Because as a fan you always have to have hope don’t you. But it’s the hop that kills us!!
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We’ve been through this many times but acceptance for me has nothing to do with Rodgers and everything to do with the wider status of the club and the direction it’s heading in. For that reason I’d definitely say you’re still in a bit of denial Mersey - focussing on Rodgers as the sole problem and not seeing the inevitable slide of the club under Top.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 14 hours, 7 minutes ago
You`ll never be more than a mid table PL club long term, your PL and FA Cup wins were a once in a lifetime occurrence. You are more likely to slip back into the Championship than to repeat that success.
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You may well be correct - it could easily happen this season; it's been an enjoyable ride all the same.
On a separate matter, how's this season going for your team? As a Spurs supporter, perhaps you can clarify if there is a particular disappointment in finishing as an also-ran to a nearby team rather than as an also-ran to the usual suspects?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by 99 Problems (Top - invest in the squad and sack Rodgers) (U12353)
posted 10 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
I’m still bargaining I the main. But I have acceptance too.
I still have hope that this horrific decline can be halted and Rodgers will once again prove me wrong and turn around a slump (for the 2”3rd time it would be remember).
But then I watch a performance like last night and I just accept that if we go down, we will entirely deserve it.
So I’ve become almost apathetic towards it, which I think is a tragedy in itself. I’ve stopped caring about how bad we are and just accept that Rodger will continue to suck the soul out of this team. We’re played with fear under him. Players look done.
But I’m still bargaining. Because as a fan you always have to have hope don’t you. But it’s the hop that kills us!!
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We’ve been through this many times but acceptance for me has nothing to do with Rodgers and everything to do with the wider status of the club and the direction it’s heading in. For that reason I’d definitely say you’re still in a bit of denial Mersey - focussing on Rodgers as the sole problem and not seeing the inevitable slide of the club under Top.
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Yeah, this is where our opinion differs.
I still think that we’re a reasonably well run club. The signings we’ve just made look good, and the training ground, expansion of the stadium and long term plans all look good to me.
Where I fully agree is that the strength of leadership and decision making looks to have weakened. Top for me seems too friendly with Rodgers and that should never happen to the point where sound business decisions have been clouded. I’d say they are right now.
But do I think that the management of our club that was heralded as the model to follow by so many only 1-2 seasons ago has fallen apart? No, I don’t. I think in Whelan we have one of the best leaders and I think the club is, in the main, well run.
I think that short term mistakes have been made and Top’s major failing was giving too much power to Rodgers. He now needs to remove that power. That for me is the fatal mistake.
But do I think the club is on its knees and Top has destroying it like I feel that your posts are suggesting, then no. I don’t. Do I think Top is wrong not to sack Rodgers and has made huge mistake. Yes.
posted on 2/3/23
I’ve certainly never suggested the club is on its knees but equally the model of the club for all other clubs to follow 2 years ago was never completely true either. We were put on a pedestal based on some very smart recruitment but after Vichai there were already warning signs in terms of how player contracts were being managed, the head of recruitment position and indeed the lack of squad depth that was beginning to emerge
That was before the financial mess started to unravel. A well run club doesn’t rack up the kind of unsustainable losses we’re about to announce which forces us to undergo a self imposed embargo pushing the club dangerously to relegation
You see that as a ‘few mistakes’, I see that as a fundamental mismanagement of the club, its direction and the finances over a 2 year period.
I think the denial you’re in about Leicester direction under Top is going to be replaced with depression and acceptance at some stage Mersey - but not until Rodgers is long gone and we’re still hanging around in the championship
posted on 2/3/23
But hey - out of the two of us I hope I’m completely and utterly wrong. It’s a distinct possibility!
posted on 2/3/23
comment by 99 Problems (Top - invest in the squad and sack Rodgers) (U12353)
posted 11 hours, 2 minutes ago
But hey - out of the two of us I hope I’m completely and utterly wrong. It’s a distinct possibility!
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I don’t think we’re as far away in our opinions as you think we are. There’s a lot in what you say I’m totally aligned with. The one difference I think is I still want to give Top the benefit and I think you blame him. That’s probably the major variance.
posted on 3/3/23
Yeah I think that’s true. I hold him more to account than even Rodgers because ultimately he has control of whether Rodgers is allowed to continue wrecking us. I can understand given everything we’ve achieved under King Power why fans would give Top the benefit - my counter to that is I don’t think we have the same owners as we did in 2016. I see Top as much weaker than his father and not really capable of taking this club forward into a new era
posted on 3/3/23
Maybe Top isn’t his father but His dad achieved the impossible by promising to get us into Europe with a maximum spend of 60 million and actually did it by spending 25 million (I know he paid off our debt on top of that).
The world and the football world is totally different to 2016. Top has had to battle to save his company which saw 75% wiped off its value and one family football club owners are rare now.
Still wouldn’t be surprised if he is looking to sell but, on balance, I still feel he has been a good owner.
I sincerely hope, however, that he has the guts to send BR packing if we don’t win tomorrow.
posted on 3/3/23
comment by 99 Problems (Top - invest in the squad and sack Rodgers) (U12353)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
Yeah I think that’s true. I hold him more to account than even Rodgers because ultimately he has control of whether Rodgers is allowed to continue wrecking us. I can understand given everything we’ve achieved under King Power why fans would give Top the benefit - my counter to that is I don’t think we have the same owners as we did in 2016. I see Top as much weaker than his father and not really capable of taking this club forward into a new era
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For me Rodgers has shown a thoroughly unpleasant self-serving side over the last year or so and needs to be shown the door no matter what happens this season.
You are right 99P and Mersey wrong in the view of Top, he has the ultimate responsibility for everything that happens at the club, that doesn't stop me directing my ire at Brendan.
I'm still hopeful that Top was thrust into the management situation some 10 years earlier than planned owing to Vichai's sad demise, is accordingly on a steep learning curve and will come good in due course; hopefully before our club is completely trashed - hence I am still willing to give Top some latitude.