Sky Sports reporting today Rocco Vata is more than likely moving on from the club, seemingly down to the fact he's not likely to get 1st team football with us. Another one for the off.
I thought we'd have done the same as we did with Summers and Lawal and sign him up and allow him to go on loan, but seems like he wants 1st team involvement or nada, which is fair enough.
Begs the question though - are we getting enough from the academy over the years?
In terms of players who've actually made some kind of impact in recent (10-20) years on our 1st team, you could say:
GK - Marshall
Defenders - KT, McManus, O'Dea, Mulgrew, Welsh, Ralston
Midfielders - McGregor
Wingers - Forrest, Maloney, McGeady
Strikers - ...Burchill?!
Aware some of the above like Marshall only made a few appearances for us (some crucial ones) and Burchill is a bit clutching at straws but we've really struggled in the GK and striker roles particularly.
Should we keep doing what we're doing and hope we can get more into the team? Or consider a bigger change like Brentford did - get rid of the academy setup and sign the stronger players from weaker sides in the Premiership and leagues below?
Youth Academy setup
posted on 18/8/23
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
If you’re good enough you’re old enough. 🍀👍
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Hi Rolf
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 17 minutes ago
Morry had a bad injury - see how he gets on loan at Wigan but highly rated.
Doaky will be fine.
Hepburn, not so sure. There's reasons the club didn't fight to keep him.
Y'all missed out the highest paid success of them all - Jack Hendry! £15m pa?
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*Hepburny
posted on 18/8/23
Robertson was allegedly let go because we felt he was too small. Hickey-don’t know. Of the others, they’ve still to achieve anything apart from Doak so far.
I’d rather we got to see them for ourselves and see what they can do, but so far there’s only 2 players from the last 15 years or so that you can genuinely say we should have kept-and one left through our decision. I suspect Doak will make that 3, but again, Ange gave him his debut but the story was he was keen to leave for development and the money on offer.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......Schizophrenia was my idea!.....No it wasn't!.....You are never alone with a Schizo :D (U2115)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 17 minutes ago
Morry had a bad injury - see how he gets on loan at Wigan but highly rated.
Doaky will be fine.
Hepburn, not so sure. There's reasons the club didn't fight to keep him.
Y'all missed out the highest paid success of them all - Jack Hendry! £15m pa?
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*Hepburny
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He was just plain Baz
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 8 minutes ago
Robertson was allegedly let go because we felt he was too small. Hickey-don’t know. Of the others, they’ve still to achieve anything apart from Doak so far.
I’d rather we got to see them for ourselves and see what they can do, but so far there’s only 2 players from the last 15 years or so that you can genuinely say we should have kept-and one left through our decision. I suspect Doak will make that 3, but again, Ange gave him his debut but the story was he was keen to leave for development and the money on offer.
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The club tactics are well known - blow smoke up their @rse to get them to sign. Would Ange have played Doak otherwise - doubtful? Mind Rodgers had Kade playing in the reserves at 13 or whatever? Mind when he was given a few first team outings to get him to sign?
Money is so great elsewhere and clubs willing to stockpile youngsters for comparatively little it is a new way to move, carry on developing but earn more in the meantime, maybe learn a language, and in case your career comes to nothing. If Hepburn never gets any higher than signing at QP then it is maybe all he was ever going to reach anyway but in the meantime he should have banked a few bob and had an experience.
Hickey was miserable at Celtic. Continually not making the team. He and his Da just wanted him to enjoy it again and he'd been happy at Hearts before hence the speculative call back there. He then got the smoke treatment but took the view that if he wasn't getting a game with the 2002s he wasn't getting a look in when it went to U18s mixed with the 2001s. The injury crisis at Hearts that got him a break was probably a bit of luck but he took it.
posted on 18/8/23
And look where Kade is now. I think the bigger issue is that the youths just haven’t been that great.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
And look where Kade is now.
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Playing (sometimes) in a top 5 league?
Believe it or not that is a successful career.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
And look where Kade is now.
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Playing (sometimes) in a top 5 league?
Believe it or not that is a successful career.
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I get that but he did absolutely nothing in a first team Jersey at Celtic.
A lot of hype about nothing. Same as vata.
posted on 18/8/23
Indeed an absolute standout until he was 16/17. Club indulged him right up until he signed his first contract to a laughable extent. Sickening for his team mates. His old man always was wary after the way they treated his older brother but they did the full smoke blow with Brendan and that was that.
posted on 18/8/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 27 minutes ago
Indeed an absolute standout until he was 16/17. Club indulged him right up until he signed his first contract to a laughable extent. Sickening for his team mates. His old man always was wary after the way they treated his older brother but they did the full smoke blow with Brendan and that was that.
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Yip.