À big disappointment. Hojlund was a plus, Rashford took his goal well. Most of the defence had at least OK games, as did Mainoo.
So what went wrong? I'm sorry to say, the manager. In what way?
Tactics, choice of players, lastly and most importantly, we have not developed an attractive, attacking style of play that can be repeated every game.
I have defended ETH and have no regrets, he had a good first season. This season he's had a lot of injuries to deal with, also Greenwood, Ronaldo and Sancho have derailed smooth running.
I think has probably been entitled to this time despite poor results.
Today though showed him up. We were playing at home, a team we traditionally beat, a team with many injuries. Yet they were a better team. Not better individually, but as a team, who knew what they were doing, had a pattern of play. We didn't. That's down to Erik, it wasn't fluke, or their goals were against the run of play, no it was the opposite. So sorry Erik, but not good enough.
I know some posters will say " I told you so" but that in itself doesn't make them right. No he was entitled to now to try his best, but sadly I think it isn't good enough.
Todays game.
posted on 15/1/24
Moyes was brilliant at Everton and again at West Ham, but he just doesn't have it for the very top level. Ole was a great interim manager, but shouldn't have been appointed long-term.
It's tough to be a manager at the very top, and there aren't that many great managers. We just need to keep trying until we find the right one. On paper, ETH seemed so right, the first season was probably over-achievement, a bit of good fortune, but we have gone backwards. No doubting the effort, but it's not happening. I assume we are scouting for someone new to bring in during the summer.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
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Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
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Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
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Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
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Do we really believe the entire squad is unmanageable? Players don't accept enough responsibility for results - the buck stops with the manager, that's just the way it is. We have some poor / over-priced players, but surely we have some decent ones also.
I can see about 10-12 players who I would keep as part of the squad, some would be first choice, others not, and then we would have to add that over coming transfer windows.
I am infuriated as anyone with some poor effort in games, but the buck stops at ETH's door
posted on 15/1/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do we really believe the entire squad is unmanageable? Players don't accept enough responsibility for results - the buck stops with the manager, that's just the way it is. We have some poor / over-priced players, but surely we have some decent ones also.
I can see about 10-12 players who I would keep as part of the squad, some would be first choice, others not, and then we would have to add that over coming transfer windows.
I am infuriated as anyone with some poor effort in games, but the buck stops at ETH's door
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Lazy comment entire squad. But this is the lengths people will go to defend this manager. Neville touched on this, he said if Bellingham came here he would’ve failed too. No surprise, you’d see folks here saying things like he loves the bling life, fashion blah blah blah. He currently goes to fashion shows and performing!
This club is a graveyard for talented players. His prayers must be so proud of themselves from staying away from this circus club.
posted on 15/1/24
comment by Busby
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
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This squad is manageable, it's just not good enough, there is a clear distinction between the two. The egotistical members have been identified, those who strayed on the wrong side are already on their way out, others will follow.
Order at the club will resume, it just needs a little more time and a lot more patience from the idiot "fans" amongst us. You know who you are!
posted on 15/1/24
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 54 minutes ago
I don't doubt ETH tactical awareness, but it's his man management and ability to get his ideas across to the players that's the problem. Doing it an Ajax is one thing, when everyone is naturally working hard together, there isn't necessarily anyone who is considered or treated like a superstar and the focus on the team isn't quite as intense.
At Utd, everything is under scrutiny, ETH also feels too robotic and doesn't have it in him to gee up the players or really be able to get inside their heads and buy into his thought process. Doesn't make him a bad manager, but sometimes it just doesn't work out for you, and he just doesn't have that little bit of X factor that Klopp or Pep has (and few do)
There is a lot of pressure on these players, and rightly so, but you need a certain type of manager to be able to cope with that and inspire the players, and I'm not sure ETH has that in him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Astute comment.
Even Moyes and Solskjaer had tactical ideas - and they were probably a lot more sophisticated than we would imagine. It's as much the ability to translate those ideas to reality (when you have eleven highly trained athletes on the other team trying to stop you) as much as the content of those ideas that separates the managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t help when you have mentally weak, tactically unintelligent, ill disciplined players either.
“I’d love to see what Pep would do with these players.”
So would I, it would be funny seeing him transfer list the entire squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, this squad are unmanageable and the sooner people realise this the better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do we really believe the entire squad is unmanageable? Players don't accept enough responsibility for results - the buck stops with the manager, that's just the way it is. We have some poor / over-priced players, but surely we have some decent ones also.
I can see about 10-12 players who I would keep as part of the squad, some would be first choice, others not, and then we would have to add that over coming transfer windows.
I am infuriated as anyone with some poor effort in games, but the buck stops at ETH's door
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Lazy comment entire squad. But this is the lengths people will go to defend this manager. Neville touched on this, he said if Bellingham came here he would’ve failed too. No surprise, you’d see folks here saying things like he loves the bling life, fashion blah blah blah. He currently goes to fashion shows and performing!
This club is a graveyard for talented players. His prayers must be so proud of themselves from staying away from this circus club.
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I don't think there are many defending ETH to be fair. Most would agree he is failing this season, but also appreciate that there are other issues at the club aside from the manager.
posted on 15/1/24
I don't think there are many defending ETH to be fair. Most would agree he is failing this season, but also appreciate that there are other issues at the club aside from the manager.
……..
Even 52, who was probably the only one still holding out for ETH has moved to not defending him anymore.
posted on 15/1/24
Plumpy is still defending ETH.
Needless to say had a difficult evening on here after the game.
posted on 15/1/24
I can see where you're coming from Mr 52.
He hasn't been helped, but also hasn't helped himself.