Keir Starmer

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
Socialism

Where has that ever worked out
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Eh?
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It’s referenced in the OP saaaan

Shame more people aren't as well informed.

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Amen, to that

If I lived in England, I would be really disillusioned about who to vote for. It 110% would not be Tory, however, I have no clue what Labour/Lib Dem actually stand for from a policy perspective.

I agree with RR's post with his reasoning why Starmer is not giving anything away. However, he has to give the electorate something tangible to get behind, other than something about non-doms, which although worth doing, will raise little capital. I don't see a coherent policy agenda.

Regarding Brexit, I believe if we had another vote, Remain would win comfortably. Labour will be very hesitant to get behind another vote for two key reasons 1. The right wing media landscape and a rehash of 2019 as mentioned previously, and 2. If they allowed another vote on Brexit, but not Indyref2, they can say goodbye to Scottish voters.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 22 seconds ago
If I lived in England, I would be really disillusioned about who to vote for. It 110% would not be Tory, however, I have no clue what Labour/Lib Dem actually stand for from a policy perspective.

I agree with RR's post with his reasoning why Starmer is not giving anything away. However, he has to give the electorate something tangible to get behind, other than something about non-doms, which although worth doing, will raise little capital. I don't see a coherent policy agenda.

Regarding Brexit, I believe if we had another vote, Remain would win comfortably. Labour will be very hesitant to get behind another vote for two key reasons 1. The right wing media landscape and a rehash of 2019 as mentioned previously, and 2. If they allowed another vote on Brexit, but not Indyref2, they can say goodbye to Scottish voters.


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if you want to know what Labour stands for, find out.

Mainstream UK news media and newspapers aren.t going to help you. (Apart from James OBrien on LBC).

He is a Tory who has no real interest in changing the country for ordinary people, he’ll just maintain the status quo for the establishment. I think he’ll struggle once in power, people will expect meaningful change, which he won’t deliver, and people will become dissatisfied quickly. Which could usher in a much more right wing government in 5 years. He is at best David Cameron/ Osborne style, and is probably more to the right in certain aspects. Don’t vote Labour or Tory, vote green or independent if you want to see more progressives. They obviously won’t get in, but it will put labour under pressure, which we saw in the locals

comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 minute ago
He is a Tory who has no real interest in changing the country for ordinary people, he’ll just maintain the status quo for the establishment. I think he’ll struggle once in power, people will expect meaningful change, which he won’t deliver, and people will become dissatisfied quickly. Which could usher in a much more right wing government in 5 years. He is at best David Cameron/ Osborne style, and is probably more to the right in certain aspects. Don’t vote Labour or Tory, vote green or independent if you want to see more progressives. They obviously won’t get in, but it will put labour under pressure, which we saw in the locals
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With the first past the post system, voting green / indep will do nothing in a general election.

Until we are a bit more grown-up about our voting system and overall approach to politics, things won't really change regardless of who is in charge

until people stop using excuses like the above to vote for these two sh1tty mainstream parties they will carry on wrecking the country and getting away with it

green is the only decent left wing choice

comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 20 minutes ago
until people stop using excuses like the above to vote for these two sh1tty mainstream parties they will carry on wrecking the country and getting away with it

green is the only decent left wing choice
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Do they even have any policies on a national level?

Why don't you go to their website. They've got the clearest communication as to what they're all about. Labour is always blabbing on about the Tories in every section.

Yes they do have national policies like privatisation of the railways etc. but they want to create more local community based solutions to problems also.

Really it comes down to whether the party connects with you and shares the same principles.

And they're also for proportional representation so to state they'll do nothing in a first past the post system as a reason not to vote for them is a good reason to vote for them.