Over to you 49ners

Not sure what there is to discuss with you Jonty. You deliberately came on here stating people had an issue with Solomon signing because he's Jewish and politics - which is nonsense.

Then in your delusion going on about Hamas hiding under schools etc given the horrific scenes we have been watching for months now with Israeli terrorism bombarding anything in sight - happy to share some of these videos with you if you've been asleep for the last 10 months. Talking about being asleep it seems you also thing this is a Hamas problem or it started on oct 7th and not 1947.

Agree let's stick to football on here and maybe do some basic history search for yourself on the issue rather than embarrassing comments like above. Releasing the hostages (whilst that is both necessary and right) will make absolutely no difference to the suffering, and you know it. Israel theft of land and occupation has been inflicting it for 70 years and has repeatedly stated their intent to carry on regardless. There is no Hamas in West Bank yet the settlers don't seem to care about that. Have some humanity ffs. Not difficult.

"Releasing the hostages (whilst that is both necessary and right) will make absolutely no difference to the suffering, and you know it."

And here is the problem in a nutshell.

Men women and children were kidnapped in front of our eyes and people are trying to justify why not to release them, which would swiftly bring all this to an end.

You talk about humanity, there is no humanity in the people who did this and the people who try and justify why these hostages should not be returned.

You said you are not sure what there is to discuss, so I wont be expecting any further discussion from you on this.

This will be my last comment - you know the facts on this Jonty and deliberately being misleading - shame really.

The occupation is illegal (in other news, water is wet). Human rights orgs globally have reached consensus on its apartheid, and the whole world is witnessing its unrestrained genocide.

As you well know settler expansion and expulsion of Palestinians was already at an all time high before October 7. Now just trying to finish us all off.

Yet you shamelessly in the name of peace still have the nerve to lecture the Palestinians about how if only they would stop fighting back, even non-violently through boycott movements inspired by South Africans, then all would be fine. Delusional to say the least. No other people would be held to such a double standard in the entire world. Most are sick and tired of those who openly support extermination and open brutality going back 60+ years.

“ Yet you shamelessly in the name of peace still have the nerve to lecture the Palestinians about how if only they would stop fighting back”

All I have said is return the hostages.

How you (you said us so you clearly identify as supporting Hamas) somehow try and justify hostages being taken and not returned is utterly obscene.

It’s nothing about resistance, fighting back blah blah

There was a ceasefire in place, you broke it and took innocent men women and babies hostage. Hostages from all countries, utterly indiscriminate and barbaric. And you have then said you will do this again and again and again until all Jews are dead.

You refuse to give them back it’s obscene.

When the n zias set up concentration camps tortured and murdered millions they tried their best to hide it.

You however celebrate it, video it, dance in the streets parading naked hostages in front of baying crowds, no civilised country on earth does anything remotely like this, no one.

Return the hostages and you could stop all this just like that.

You choose not to….and have dragged the region through chaos for last 10 Months when it has been completely in your power to stop it all.

I feel sorry for Jonty genuinely believing a buying into every fake story he's been told. Not my place to comment further, but A14 is absolutely right.

A14 just so you know, I don't want this man at my club, to post celebrating the death of so many innocent men, women and children is abhorrent, not just in the illegally occupied Gaza strip but on the illegally settled West Bank as well. The man is filthy in my eyes.
This is the real reason Spurs want rid they want to wash their hands.

comment by A14... Tea was fantastic پاکستان زِنده باد (U2805)
posted 5 hours, 6 minutes ago
This will be my last comment - you know the facts on this Jonty and deliberately being misleading - shame really.

The occupation is illegal (in other news, water is wet). Human rights orgs globally have reached consensus on its apartheid, and the whole world is witnessing its unrestrained genocide.

As you well know settler expansion and expulsion of Palestinians was already at an all time high before October 7. Now just trying to finish us all off.

Yet you shamelessly in the name of peace still have the nerve to lecture the Palestinians about how if only they would stop fighting back, even non-violently through boycott movements inspired by South Africans, then all would be fine. Delusional to say the least. No other people would be held to such a double standard in the entire world. Most are sick and tired of those who openly support extermination and open brutality going back 60+ years.
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comment by Dennis. (U23086)
posted 13 minutes ago
A14 just so you know, I don't want this man at my club, to post celebrating the death of so many innocent men, women and children is abhorrent, not just in the illegally occupied Gaza strip but on the illegally settled West Bank as well. The man is filthy in my eyes.
This is the real reason Spurs want rid they want to wash their hands.
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Show us these posts you are referring to.

comment by A14... Tea was fantastic پاکستان زِنده باد (U2805)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
This will be my last comment - you know the facts on this Jonty and deliberately being misleading - shame really.

The occupation is illegal (in other news, water is wet). Human rights orgs globally have reached consensus on its apartheid, and the whole world is witnessing its unrestrained genocide.

As you well know settler expansion and expulsion of Palestinians was already at an all time high before October 7. Now just trying to finish us all off.

Yet you shamelessly in the name of peace still have the nerve to lecture the Palestinians about how if only they would stop fighting back, even non-violently through boycott movements inspired by South Africans, then all would be fine. Delusional to say the least. No other people would be held to such a double standard in the entire world. Most are sick and tired of those who openly support extermination and open brutality going back 60+ years.
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There is no occupation, no apartheid and no genocide. If you don't agree, go and watch the Triggernometry interview with Lawyer Natasha Hausdorff on You Tube and educate yourself with some facts. Or look up her other interviews/debates on You Tube.
You've swallowed all the propaganda hook, line and sinker. Listen to Son of Hamas leader Mosab Hasan Yousef who's been calling out the 'Palestinian' lies for over a decade.
Alternatively, there are multiple lawyers, historians, military experts on Twitter/X you could follow who would also put you right. Eg @SpencerJJoseph who will tell you that Judea and Samaria (West Bank and Gaza) are Israeli sovereign territory that Israel regained from Egypt and Jordan in 1967. Not occupied. In the same way that Crimea is Ukraine sovereign territory and if Ukraine regains from Russia it wouldn't be occupied.
@CptAllenHistory will also put you right on nonsense claims of genocide.
Plenty of other people to learn from if only people would stop listening to those projecting political bias.
Only last night, Israel foiled a huge planned rocket assault by Hezbollah with precision strikes on its military targets. Hamas and Hezbollah rockets aren't sent with any precision - they mis-fire and land anywhere. A Hezbollah rocket hit a playground in northern Israel in July and killed 12 kids. Did you even know? Where is your outrage when those terrorist groups use houses, schools, hospitals etc as military bases?

Roz,

The BS you put above almost overtakes Jontys - but not quiet - must try harder. Doesn’t and never will change the reality of the situation or historical facts.

The facts are not even in question unless your inhumane.. Palestinians live in an apartheid, colonial-settler state, one that has dispossessed them of their land for some seventy years, has forced them to live in dehumanizing conditions that are worse than an open-air prison (unlike Palestinians, inmates are not periodically bombed), persecutes them for their affiliation, devastates them economically, seeks to (and yet has failed to) break them psychologically, interminably terrorises and periodically massacres them as a policy (some of Israel’s politicians speak of killing Palestinians as ‘mowing the grass&rsquo.

Again, feed yourself any sheet you like - the world knows.