Champions League tickets

comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 16 hours, 2 minutes ago

Yeah but just because you won’t doesn’t mean others won’t.

I bet at even £90 Villa vs Bayern could sell out 2 times over. This is the world we’re in now - it seems expensive but Villa haven’t played that calibre of European opponent in a competitive fixture for decades

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Strikemug, how the devil are you?

and this could have / should have been you paying to see spurs in the CL... well if you were a spurs fan, and not an anti arsenal fan.

you get the big screen in your new stadium to play the arsenal games yet?, you'll at least have something to watch while at your games

AAAAW

(all anti arsenal arent we)
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Who are you?

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 16 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yeah but just because you won’t doesn’t mean others won’t.

I bet at even £90 Villa vs Bayern could sell out 2 times over. This is the world we’re in now - it seems expensive but Villa haven’t played that calibre of European opponent in a competitive fixture for decades
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there would be people that would pay £300 a ticket for Real Madrid.

People would pay £1000s for a champ league final ticket, does that mean we should price it at that... no chance
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What’s the answer though - Spurs get to CL final and demand for tickets is 80,000 strong, but after UEFA have had their cut we’re left with 9,000 tickets - so 71,000 will be disappointed - what’s the fair way to distribute bearing in mind that loyalty points have been a huge scam at top Prem clubs since the £30 away ticket cap was introduced

Ballot seems fair but it would mean that a bloke that has been to every game home and away in a season might miss out to someone who has been twice

Loyalty points - yeah faaaack that. There are parasitic fans who use their existing loyalty points to purchase away tickets and sell them on for double. They go to about 5 home games and flog the rest on as well, but they keep picking up the loyalty points and are therefore top of the pile when cup finals come round - it’s a scam

Dynamic pricing - rules out those that cannot afford it, on the flip side, gives others who save up to got to 2/3 away a season a chance to go to an away game that’s usually a closed shop
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the answer is make them affordable... what would be the difference in monies earned by the club? 10m a year? thats pittance to the money earned by Spurs, that gets you what, a good players shin pads in the EPL?

Season ticket holders get priority for the tickets the rest and the season ticket holders who dont take up the tickets all go into a ballot.

Fair is fair, make the game accessible to as many fans as possible.

If you want more and more casual fans rather than more devoted regular fans to attend games then fire away and charge through the nose, and slowly watch the atmosphere and buzz around games die week by week, season by season.
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Your not listening

At our club we have season ticket holders with 600 + loyalty points who use those points to buy tickets for every away game - they then sell virtually all of those away tickets on, often for a profit whilst banking the loyalty points that come with it.

What that mean is that fans with 300 points can’t grow their points to compete because the 600 pointers have snaffled all the tickets - the 300 pointers then have to buy off the 600 pointers at an increased rate whilst still not getting the loyalty points.

Then the 2019 CL final comes round and that game is the one game the 600 pointers will make the effort for whilst the 300 pointers might have been to 6 times as many games as them that season but haven’t a chance of a ticket.

How is that fair?
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and how does raising the ticket prices combat that ? surely they just do the same thing buyt them at the higher prices and then sell them on for even more.

At the higher price point you eliminate some of your fans instantly touts or not. At least at the lower prices they stil have a chance
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Touts were far less prevalent for away games pre cap. They never bothered paying £45 for Middlesbrough away a decade ago as there was a real chance they wouldn’t make their money back. At £30 it’s far less of a hit and they take their chances as they know at worst they can shift it for £25, take a small loss and pocket the loyalty points and make that money back x20 by selling a ticket to Arsenal away.

Sure it’s not nice pricing people out, but currently Spurs have the same 3,000 people buying all the away tickets to every game and no one else getting a look in unless they buy off a tout - and those 3,000 unbelievably then get loyalty points on top for buying those away tickets - meaning the other fans can never ever catch them up - it’s a closed shop and completely unfair.

If we get 2,000 away tickets, why not do 1000 based on loyalty points, 500 on Ballot and 500 on premium pricing. More fans will get to go to more away games and it will no longer be a closed shop.

Additionally, loyalty points should not be given for going to away games - it’s a privilege to go, their shouldn’t be that additional incentive

comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 16 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yeah but just because you won’t doesn’t mean others won’t.

I bet at even £90 Villa vs Bayern could sell out 2 times over. This is the world we’re in now - it seems expensive but Villa haven’t played that calibre of European opponent in a competitive fixture for decades
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there would be people that would pay £300 a ticket for Real Madrid.

People would pay £1000s for a champ league final ticket, does that mean we should price it at that... no chance
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What’s the answer though - Spurs get to CL final and demand for tickets is 80,000 strong, but after UEFA have had their cut we’re left with 9,000 tickets - so 71,000 will be disappointed - what’s the fair way to distribute bearing in mind that loyalty points have been a huge scam at top Prem clubs since the £30 away ticket cap was introduced

Ballot seems fair but it would mean that a bloke that has been to every game home and away in a season might miss out to someone who has been twice

Loyalty points - yeah faaaack that. There are parasitic fans who use their existing loyalty points to purchase away tickets and sell them on for double. They go to about 5 home games and flog the rest on as well, but they keep picking up the loyalty points and are therefore top of the pile when cup finals come round - it’s a scam

Dynamic pricing - rules out those that cannot afford it, on the flip side, gives others who save up to got to 2/3 away a season a chance to go to an away game that’s usually a closed shop
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the answer is make them affordable... what would be the difference in monies earned by the club? 10m a year? thats pittance to the money earned by Spurs, that gets you what, a good players shin pads in the EPL?

Season ticket holders get priority for the tickets the rest and the season ticket holders who dont take up the tickets all go into a ballot.

Fair is fair, make the game accessible to as many fans as possible.

If you want more and more casual fans rather than more devoted regular fans to attend games then fire away and charge through the nose, and slowly watch the atmosphere and buzz around games die week by week, season by season.
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Your not listening

At our club we have season ticket holders with 600 + loyalty points who use those points to buy tickets for every away game - they then sell virtually all of those away tickets on, often for a profit whilst banking the loyalty points that come with it.

What that mean is that fans with 300 points can’t grow their points to compete because the 600 pointers have snaffled all the tickets - the 300 pointers then have to buy off the 600 pointers at an increased rate whilst still not getting the loyalty points.

Then the 2019 CL final comes round and that game is the one game the 600 pointers will make the effort for whilst the 300 pointers might have been to 6 times as many games as them that season but haven’t a chance of a ticket.

How is that fair?
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and how does raising the ticket prices combat that ? surely they just do the same thing buyt them at the higher prices and then sell them on for even more.

At the higher price point you eliminate some of your fans instantly touts or not. At least at the lower prices they stil have a chance
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Touts were far less prevalent for away games pre cap. They never bothered paying £45 for Middlesbrough away a decade ago as there was a real chance they wouldn’t make their money back. At £30 it’s far less of a hit and they take their chances as they know at worst they can shift it for £25, take a small loss and pocket the loyalty points and make that money back x20 by selling a ticket to Arsenal away.

Sure it’s not nice pricing people out, but currently Spurs have the same 3,000 people buying all the away tickets to every game and no one else getting a look in unless they buy off a tout - and those 3,000 unbelievably then get loyalty points on top for buying those away tickets - meaning the other fans can never ever catch them up - it’s a closed shop and completely unfair.

If we get 2,000 away tickets, why not do 1000 based on loyalty points, 500 on Ballot and 500 on premium pricing. More fans will get to go to more away games and it will no longer be a closed shop.

Additionally, loyalty points should not be given for going to away games - it’s a privilege to go, their shouldn’t be that additional incentive
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touts bying up all the tickets has only been a major porblem over all forms of activities over the last decade , they just get even more now on top of that ocs the base price increase. so the starting price matters less to them than je blogg cos they far more capital available to buy them in the first price ... the higher the price and more valuable the tickets the more likely touts will get a hold of them.

your loyalty points problem is more of a Spurs problem, none of that exists with my team. and your loyalty points issue is moving further and further away from the point of the OP.

its about overpriced tickets and how the clubs are shafiting the fans.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 16 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yeah but just because you won’t doesn’t mean others won’t.

I bet at even £90 Villa vs Bayern could sell out 2 times over. This is the world we’re in now - it seems expensive but Villa haven’t played that calibre of European opponent in a competitive fixture for decades
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there would be people that would pay £300 a ticket for Real Madrid.

People would pay £1000s for a champ league final ticket, does that mean we should price it at that... no chance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What’s the answer though - Spurs get to CL final and demand for tickets is 80,000 strong, but after UEFA have had their cut we’re left with 9,000 tickets - so 71,000 will be disappointed - what’s the fair way to distribute bearing in mind that loyalty points have been a huge scam at top Prem clubs since the £30 away ticket cap was introduced

Ballot seems fair but it would mean that a bloke that has been to every game home and away in a season might miss out to someone who has been twice

Loyalty points - yeah faaaack that. There are parasitic fans who use their existing loyalty points to purchase away tickets and sell them on for double. They go to about 5 home games and flog the rest on as well, but they keep picking up the loyalty points and are therefore top of the pile when cup finals come round - it’s a scam

Dynamic pricing - rules out those that cannot afford it, on the flip side, gives others who save up to got to 2/3 away a season a chance to go to an away game that’s usually a closed shop
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the answer is make them affordable... what would be the difference in monies earned by the club? 10m a year? thats pittance to the money earned by Spurs, that gets you what, a good players shin pads in the EPL?

Season ticket holders get priority for the tickets the rest and the season ticket holders who dont take up the tickets all go into a ballot.

Fair is fair, make the game accessible to as many fans as possible.

If you want more and more casual fans rather than more devoted regular fans to attend games then fire away and charge through the nose, and slowly watch the atmosphere and buzz around games die week by week, season by season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Your not listening

At our club we have season ticket holders with 600 + loyalty points who use those points to buy tickets for every away game - they then sell virtually all of those away tickets on, often for a profit whilst banking the loyalty points that come with it.

What that mean is that fans with 300 points can’t grow their points to compete because the 600 pointers have snaffled all the tickets - the 300 pointers then have to buy off the 600 pointers at an increased rate whilst still not getting the loyalty points.

Then the 2019 CL final comes round and that game is the one game the 600 pointers will make the effort for whilst the 300 pointers might have been to 6 times as many games as them that season but haven’t a chance of a ticket.

How is that fair?
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and how does raising the ticket prices combat that ? surely they just do the same thing buyt them at the higher prices and then sell them on for even more.

At the higher price point you eliminate some of your fans instantly touts or not. At least at the lower prices they stil have a chance
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Touts were far less prevalent for away games pre cap. They never bothered paying £45 for Middlesbrough away a decade ago as there was a real chance they wouldn’t make their money back. At £30 it’s far less of a hit and they take their chances as they know at worst they can shift it for £25, take a small loss and pocket the loyalty points and make that money back x20 by selling a ticket to Arsenal away.

Sure it’s not nice pricing people out, but currently Spurs have the same 3,000 people buying all the away tickets to every game and no one else getting a look in unless they buy off a tout - and those 3,000 unbelievably then get loyalty points on top for buying those away tickets - meaning the other fans can never ever catch them up - it’s a closed shop and completely unfair.

If we get 2,000 away tickets, why not do 1000 based on loyalty points, 500 on Ballot and 500 on premium pricing. More fans will get to go to more away games and it will no longer be a closed shop.

Additionally, loyalty points should not be given for going to away games - it’s a privilege to go, their shouldn’t be that additional incentive
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touts bying up all the tickets has only been a major porblem over all forms of activities over the last decade , they just get even more now on top of that ocs the base price increase. so the starting price matters less to them than je blogg cos they far more capital available to buy them in the first price ... the higher the price and more valuable the tickets the more likely touts will get a hold of them.

your loyalty points problem is more of a Spurs problem, none of that exists with my team. and your loyalty points issue is moving further and further away from the point of the OP.

its about overpriced tickets and how the clubs are shafiting the fans.
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No my point is it’s not traditional touts, it’s Spurs fans buying an away ticket for Newcastle at £30 because they have enough loyalty points - pocketing said loyalty points and then selling the ticket on for £40/£50. They make a profit and get the loyalty points and it’s only been a problem at Spurs since the away cap came in. I used to have circa 300 loyalty points and could get to 6/7 away a season with that in the midlands and up north - as soon as the cap came in I couldn’t get to a single game, but there were suddenly loads of Spurs away tickets available on certain sites for an inflated price.

Buy introducing a layer of dynamic pricing to a portion of these tickets, fans like myself who were loyalty pointed out years ago can suddenly go to games again by paying a premium to do so and not having to give that money to a fan who engages in this abhorrent behaviour.

What would then be great, is if the club used that additional money to then discount a certain amount of tickets for home games for less financially well off fans - I would be well up for that.

I don’t want to price fellow fans out, but at the same time myself and other fans are shut out of away games due to ridiculously low away ticket pricing.

That’s the other part of this - a home fan will pay £75 to watch the North London derby whilst the away fans will pay £30 - how that right. When the a prem decided to set caps, why did they only look at away games - why haven’t they forced clubs to sell a certain amount of tickets to home games at a capped price? The reason is the clubs would have been in uproar.

The other irony - Villa fans unhappy about spending nearly £100 for a CL ticket - yet Villa came within 24 hours of breaching PSR rules in the summer and had to sell Douglas Luiz. You want to be a top club playing in the top competition - this is the price because the players aren’t going to take less in wages

sounds like Spurs fans are whanks tbh.... doesnt happen at my club.

your stuff about Villa is laughable . your in the richest league in the world by miles, if clubs cant get their finances right in the EPL then they are incompetent. If they are close to breaching PSR its cos of the amount they have in expenditure NOT income ! No team in the EPL can complain of lack of income ffs!

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
sounds like Spurs fans are whanks tbh.... doesnt happen at my club.

your stuff about Villa is laughable . your in the richest league in the world by miles, if clubs cant get their finances right in the EPL then they are incompetent. If they are close to breaching PSR its cos of the amount they have in expenditure NOT income ! No team in the EPL can complain of lack of income ffs!
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Let’s not lose sight of the fact your club went to the wall financially to the point where it technically no longer exists because you would spend what was it £15 for every £5 Celtic spent. Stones and glasshouses.

You can call the Villa point laughable, but that’s exactly what happened this summer, it’s fact.They had to overspend to build a side that could reach the CL spots - probably something Motherwell or Dundee would also have to do to wrestle a spot from the ugly sisters.

The fans wanted the CL, they have it, but it’s built on financial sand and the club needs to pump the fans harder to keep it going

comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
sounds like Spurs fans are whanks tbh.... doesnt happen at my club.

your stuff about Villa is laughable . your in the richest league in the world by miles, if clubs cant get their finances right in the EPL then they are incompetent. If they are close to breaching PSR its cos of the amount they have in expenditure NOT income ! No team in the EPL can complain of lack of income ffs!
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Let’s not lose sight of the fact your club went to the wall financially to the point where it technically no longer exists because you would spend what was it £15 for every £5 Celtic spent. Stones and glasshouses.

You can call the Villa point laughable, but that’s exactly what happened this summer, it’s fact.They had to overspend to build a side that could reach the CL spots - probably something Motherwell or Dundee would also have to do to wrestle a spot from the ugly sisters.

The fans wanted the CL, they have it, but it’s built on financial sand and the club needs to pump the fans harder to keep it going
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again your just venturing away rom the point, that stuff with my club had zero to do with ticket prices. Clearly your trying to distract from the original point cos you are making an ar$e of it.

it is laughable to use Villa or any team in the EPL as an example of why ticket prices should be higher cos they need more money!!

what a stupid point... defending the rise in ticket prices cos clubs in England cant live within their means.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
what a stupid point... defending the rise in ticket prices cos clubs in England cant live within their means.
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It’s quite funny you can’t comprehend this.

Look at it this way - for Motherwell to compete regularly at the top with the ugly sisters they would have to spend a lot of money or nurture a golden generation that then didn’t get sold off against their will all over Europe and by the ugly sisters.

Now suppose they have a PSR issue - how do they balance competing whilst staying within PSR rules? Can’t spend more because you will breach and get a points penalty, if you stop spending then the ugly sisters can continue as they get 60,000 fans every week so have more money coming in - how do you raise commercials enough to stay competitive.


The fact a New co fan doesn’t understand this is hilarious - it’s the reason your club went to the wall.

Villa are in the most competitive market in football - United/Arsenal/Spurs/Liverpool/City and somehow (god knows how) Chelsea can all outspend them. So how do they continue competing ?

Daniel Levy to his enormous credit realised this over a decade ago - it’s the one thing I will praise him for, his business and commercial acumen. He created loads of different income streams for the club to remain competitive - that’s why we could outspend Newcastle and Villa despite them qualifying for CL last 2 seasons. Rugby/Concerts/F1/NFL/Boxing - we make enough from this that for our Europa league games he only has to charge £30

comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
what a stupid point... defending the rise in ticket prices cos clubs in England cant live within their means.
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It’s quite funny you can’t comprehend this.

Look at it this way - for Motherwell to compete regularly at the top with the ugly sisters they would have to spend a lot of money or nurture a golden generation that then didn’t get sold off against their will all over Europe and by the ugly sisters.

Now suppose they have a PSR issue - how do they balance competing whilst staying within PSR rules? Can’t spend more because you will breach and get a points penalty, if you stop spending then the ugly sisters can continue as they get 60,000 fans every week so have more money coming in - how do you raise commercials enough to stay competitive.


The fact a New co fan doesn’t understand this is hilarious - it’s the reason your club went to the wall.

Villa are in the most competitive market in football - United/Arsenal/Spurs/Liverpool/City and somehow (god knows how) Chelsea can all outspend them. So how do they continue competing ?

Daniel Levy to his enormous credit realised this over a decade ago - it’s the one thing I will praise him for, his business and commercial acumen. He created loads of different income streams for the club to remain competitive - that’s why we could outspend Newcastle and Villa despite them qualifying for CL last 2 seasons. Rugby/Concerts/F1/NFL/Boxing - we make enough from this that for our Europa league games he only has to charge £30
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Well Im hitting you with fact examples of not having to rip the ar$e outta fans with ticket prices , your replying with hypothesized circumstances.

Your Motherwell example is jobbies, if Motherwell wanna be a bigger club they need to become a bigger club. Not charge their fans a fortune for tickets, but applying a trading model that they can gradually increase both the baseline balance and quality of asset on the pitch. its not a two second fix such as lets just start charging up to 5 times the price other clubs charge for tickets.