Just wanted a final word on Tuchel and international management in general.
If you look at fairly recent world cup / euros winning managers, there's no real blueprint as to what makes a successful international manager. Being a successful club manager isn't necessary - I think those that could be considered as having had good success at club and international level would be Del Bosque, Lippi and maybe Mancini.
There have probably been more than didn't have a great club managerial pedigree (or none at all)
So it's in the lap of the Gods as to whether Tuchel will be successful or not. Of course it's not the first time that England have gone 'foreign'. I do think that it's a little sad that England couldn't find a suitable English coach - the likes of Potter and Howe spring to mind, maybe they weren't available. Praise has been given to Southgate for handling 'all the noise' around England, but ultimately it's about what you can do on the pitch, and surely there must be a number of English coaches out there with better tactical nous than Southgate.
Carsley didn't feel right at all - not to do with experience, or trying out different things etc, it was the whole 'hokey cokey' of yes, I'm interested / no I'm not. That indecision I don't think helped his brief spell at all - either say, yes, I'm interested and I'll show you what I can do in the next few games, or no, I'm just looking after it and will then go back to U21s, but trying to have a foot in both camps shows a lack of clarity and good management, but all he can do is learn from this.
It's also been pointed out that very few foreign managers (I think one) has won the WCs or Euros - I think that is more to do with the fact that the major teams have tended not to go 'foreign' for their managers, so I wouldn't necessarily use that as a negative.
Just a quick word on N Ire's result last night. I know it was 'only Bulgaria', but to put 5 past anyone is no mean feat, especially for a country like ours which isn't renowned for goals. O'Neill is a prime example of someone who has just fitted in so well into international management - he got us to a tourney first time round, and with a decent squad of relative youngsters, could do the same in the next few years. Still feels strange cheering on Conor Bradley
International Management
posted 1 day, 21 hours ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Peks - Comanche Moon (U6618)
posted 4 minutes ago
Since the end of Communism in eastern Europe & the last generation of players brought up in those countries, it's a shame how poor the likes of Bulgaria & Romania have become
fancy getting battered by N Ireland
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Did Northern Ireland not batter Spain 3-0?
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They beat them 3-2 in a qualifier way back when
posted 1 day, 21 hours ago
Healy hattrick i think
posted 1 day, 20 hours ago
they also beat Spain in the world cup when Spain were the hosts
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 5 hours, 7 minutes ago
I mentioned on the live thread last night, NI must be one of the biggest overachievers in Europe given the talent pool available to them. Fair play.
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I'll raise you Croatia
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 5 hours, 7 minutes ago
I mentioned on the live thread last night, NI must be one of the biggest overachievers in Europe given the talent pool available to them. Fair play.
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I'll raise you Croatia
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Funnily enough I specified Europe as someone mentioned Uruguay last night.
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
they also beat Spain in the world cup when Spain were the hosts
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Back in '82............Armstrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
N Ire are reigning British Home Championships holders - have been for 20 years
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
It's also been pointed out that very few foreign managers (I think one) has won the WCs or Euros - I think that is more to do with the fact that the major teams have tended not to go 'foreign' for their managers, so I wouldn't necessarily use that as a negative.
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Greece won the euros with a German manager …..only time a tournament has been won with a foreign manager
posted 1 day, 2 hours ago
The reality is the sided that usually win tournaments have plenty of home grown managers to pick from and have the best players.
Management seems to be about getting the best group together and getting them organised enough to go play.
Spain for example had a top squad bar the centre forward and it showed. One manager might not have played wingers and might have passed teams to death but the manager they did have used the two wingers and gave us some good games as well as passing us to death. Spain still have foreign managers in la liga at the very top but there's a lot of coaching options
England's problem is thst tjr leavue is flooded with foreign coaches even at the rubbish clubs so there's very very few options to look at and with respect (very little of it too) the likes of Potter and howe and Southgate are not up to it.
England never look right as a footballing team under Southgate. The ultra negative tournament football stuff can go so far when you have loads of players but someone will better you at some point once the better teams go through.
In 2010 homegrown rule came in for players. Since then England have loads and loads and loads of playing options come through.
There is no English coaching quota. No managers really backed so you are looking at a very very thin pool
posted 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 18 hours, 7 minutes ago
It's also been pointed out that very few foreign managers (I think one) has won the WCs or Euros - I think that is more to do with the fact that the major teams have tended not to go 'foreign' for their managers, so I wouldn't necessarily use that as a negative.
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Greece won the euros with a German manager …..only time a tournament has been won with a foreign manager
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The Copa America has been won by non-nationals on several occasions.
Why do we still act as if it didn't exist when it has a much richer tradition than the Euros, and South America has provided 10 out of 22 World Cup-winning sides?