Here’s the PGMOL guidance:
"The referee’s call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand."
So again, for VAR to intervene, there had to be “clear evidence" showing that *without doubt* “the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake."
At a stretch, there might be an argument for a penalty (although personally, I don’t see it, at all). But surely nobody can sensibly argue that the evidence demonstrated “without doubt" that the referee’s decision was a “clear mistake".
So what’s going on then? Disinterest in the guidance? Power-tripping? An attempt to undermine a ref the VAR has a beef with? Some weird (clearly backfiring) determination to try to prove the value of VAR?
Can anybody help explain this to me? Because I am at a complete loss.
‘Clear and obvious error’
posted on 28/10/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
“ Instead of United fans complaining about VAR correcting an error that's wasn't clear and obvious you'd have everybody else complaining the referee made the wrong decision and VAR didn't intervene. “
Going by the punditry and general comments across fan bases this week, I’d say this isn’t true at all.
I don’t think many people would have bat an eyelid if that wasn’t reviewed, personally.
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I agree it shouldn't have been reviewed but I'm sure many would have complained about it. That's the nature of football fans on subjective decisions like this one.
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I don’t agree.
There’s always a minority that will complain about everything but I’d say ‘everyone else’ complaining would be reserved for a controversial decision.
I’m not sure many people would be calling that controversial, had it not been given.
I base that on the sheer volume of people - outside Man Utd fans - calling it a wrong decision, harsh etc.
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Yeah i think you're right. Perhaps everybody else was the wrong words.
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posted on 28/10/24
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
“ Instead of United fans complaining about VAR correcting an error that's wasn't clear and obvious you'd have everybody else complaining the referee made the wrong decision and VAR didn't intervene. “
Going by the punditry and general comments across fan bases this week, I’d say this isn’t true at all.
I don’t think many people would have bat an eyelid if that wasn’t reviewed, personally.
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I agree it shouldn't have been reviewed but I'm sure many would have complained about it. That's the nature of football fans on subjective decisions like this one.
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I don’t agree.
There’s always a minority that will complain about everything but I’d say ‘everyone else’ complaining would be reserved for a controversial decision.
I’m not sure many people would be calling that controversial, had it not been given.
I base that on the sheer volume of people - outside Man Utd fans - calling it a wrong decision, harsh etc.
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Stonewall penalty for me
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Behave, or I’ll penalise your stones Irish.
posted on 28/10/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
“ Instead of United fans complaining about VAR correcting an error that's wasn't clear and obvious you'd have everybody else complaining the referee made the wrong decision and VAR didn't intervene. “
Going by the punditry and general comments across fan bases this week, I’d say this isn’t true at all.
I don’t think many people would have bat an eyelid if that wasn’t reviewed, personally.
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I agree it shouldn't have been reviewed but I'm sure many would have complained about it. That's the nature of football fans on subjective decisions like this one.
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I don’t agree.
There’s always a minority that will complain about everything but I’d say ‘everyone else’ complaining would be reserved for a controversial decision.
I’m not sure many people would be calling that controversial, had it not been given.
I base that on the sheer volume of people - outside Man Utd fans - calling it a wrong decision, harsh etc.
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Stonewall penalty for me
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Behave, or I’ll penalise your stones Irish.
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Rosso with the bullying tactics again. For shame
posted on 28/10/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think the Konate one against Arsenal was a good comparison to this one. I didn't see him get the ball and felt a penalty. Others thought he got the ball, subjective decision, not clear and obvious, VAR either agreed or didn't intervene because not clear and obvious.
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Agreed.
On Twitter there’s two posts in a row, both with slow motion videos, both at opposite ends of the opinion and both look quite convincing.
posted on 28/10/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 28 seconds ago
TAA had fouled Martinelli before Konate got involved , Konates knee touching the ball shouldn't mean anything
Don't wind me up
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Nonsense. TAA did not foul Martinelli. May have got a touch on him but not enough for a foul.
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I said don't wind me up
posted on 28/10/24
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 28 seconds ago
TAA had fouled Martinelli before Konate got involved , Konates knee touching the ball shouldn't mean anything
Don't wind me up
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Nonsense. TAA did not foul Martinelli. May have got a touch on him but not enough for a foul.
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I said don't wind me up
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Let's give it a week when you've calmed down and revisit
posted on 28/10/24
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
“ Instead of United fans complaining about VAR correcting an error that's wasn't clear and obvious you'd have everybody else complaining the referee made the wrong decision and VAR didn't intervene. “
Going by the punditry and general comments across fan bases this week, I’d say this isn’t true at all.
I don’t think many people would have bat an eyelid if that wasn’t reviewed, personally.
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I agree it shouldn't have been reviewed but I'm sure many would have complained about it. That's the nature of football fans on subjective decisions like this one.
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I don’t agree.
There’s always a minority that will complain about everything but I’d say ‘everyone else’ complaining would be reserved for a controversial decision.
I’m not sure many people would be calling that controversial, had it not been given.
I base that on the sheer volume of people - outside Man Utd fans - calling it a wrong decision, harsh etc.
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Stonewall penalty for me
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Behave, or I’ll penalise your stones Irish.
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Rosso with the bullying tactics again. For shame
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posted on 28/10/24
Keep the Arsenal thread pure.
posted on 28/10/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Keep the Arsenal thread pure.
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Erm
posted on 28/10/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
“ Instead of United fans complaining about VAR correcting an error that's wasn't clear and obvious you'd have everybody else complaining the referee made the wrong decision and VAR didn't intervene. “
Going by the punditry and general comments across fan bases this week, I’d say this isn’t true at all.
I don’t think many people would have bat an eyelid if that wasn’t reviewed, personally.
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I agree it shouldn't have been reviewed but I'm sure many would have complained about it. That's the nature of football fans on subjective decisions like this one.
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I don’t agree.
There’s always a minority that will complain about everything but I’d say ‘everyone else’ complaining would be reserved for a controversial decision.
I’m not sure many people would be calling that controversial, had it not been given.
I base that on the sheer volume of people - outside Man Utd fans - calling it a wrong decision, harsh etc.
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Yeah i think you're right. Perhaps everybody else was the wrong words.
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Yeah reeetarded Liverpool fans would have complained about it would have been the correct wording.