Why do a lot of fans seems to see progress only as the league position?
For me progress is getting closer to being successful. And correct me if I’m wrong but winning a cup, is success? You’ve won that competition right?
It’s true that the cup win isn’t long term success, it’s short term. But it’s progress if you haven’t won anything for 17 years.
I’d take some short term success thanks, Leicester won the title and an FA cup, they didn’t get sustained success or progress, but I bet they wouldn’t swap their last 10 years for ours
I guess my point is, you can hanker after lasting long term success all you like but only clubs who invest will get that. We aren’t under Enic ever going to do that.
People say “yeah but united sacked ETH and he won 2 cups" yes and united were used to winning the lot and regularly, a Carabao isn’t progress for them. But for THFC, only 1 cup in 26 years and none in 17, absolutely a cup win is progress, and yet we continually chase league position, with no hope of winning the league or even top 4 these days, to scupper our chances of winning a trophy.
I don’t get it at all but I fully expect a weakened side tonight and another Carabao exit to concentrate on 6th place - is that progress??
What constitutes “progress”?
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
The thing about using cups as a measure is that there is a lot of luck involved in the process.
We've drawn City in the EFL and we did so in the FA cup last season. Then we had an injury crisis and players off on AFCON and Asia Cup.
Tonight our injury situation is OK, we should be able to put out a challenging team but City remain the benchmark. They won this comp like 4 times in 5 years or something like that. Didn't lose in it for years so even where they are weakened they are well able to put out a very strong team that has beaten most in their path.
Also, look at United. Dog awful last season and going backwards, but won a cup....progress of just a one off exception to a general rule of being mediocre.
I actually think the Europa is easier to win than any domestic trophy. The best other PL in it is Utd and while there are some strong g European teams not to be underestimated no one really better than a top 6 PL team.
For me.progress is competing in everything we do to a higher level. It might not mean a trophy but we need to be getting close...and one must also have regard to the luck of the draw when assessing progress.
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I get what you are saying. But absolutely no excuse for not going full strength tonight to at least try to progress. If this was a CL midweek match, would a manager be putting the reserves out? Of course he wouldn't.
posted 4 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
The thing about using cups as a measure is that there is a lot of luck involved in the process.
We've drawn City in the EFL and we did so in the FA cup last season. Then we had an injury crisis and players off on AFCON and Asia Cup.
Tonight our injury situation is OK, we should be able to put out a challenging team but City remain the benchmark. They won this comp like 4 times in 5 years or something like that. Didn't lose in it for years so even where they are weakened they are well able to put out a very strong team that has beaten most in their path.
Also, look at United. Dog awful last season and going backwards, but won a cup....progress of just a one off exception to a general rule of being mediocre.
I actually think the Europa is easier to win than any domestic trophy. The best other PL in it is Utd and while there are some strong g European teams not to be underestimated no one really better than a top 6 PL team.
For me.progress is competing in everything we do to a higher level. It might not mean a trophy but we need to be getting close...and one must also have regard to the luck of the draw when assessing progress.
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I get what you are saying. But absolutely no excuse for not going full strength tonight to at least try to progress. If this was a CL midweek match, would a manager be putting the reserves out? Of course he wouldn't.
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Will be toss up who makes most changes, city or Spurs
posted 4 hours, 32 minutes ago
Definitely see a load of changes and an exit tonight
Not sure who made the point but had to nod in agreement …..does Ange risk a strong team and go out to a weakened team and really kill the mood or go under strength lose anyway and fall back on the fact it wasn’t our first team
posted 4 hours, 27 minutes ago
The strongest focus should be on winning the Europa because that gets you a trophy and CL football.
However, you can get through to the league cup final before the knock out phase begins and so that should be priority right now.
The FA cup early rounds should only become important if we are knocked out of league cup before it starts.
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
Progress is definitely winning the Europa
It ticks every box for the fans and Enic (not that i care about ticking any boxes for them)
I still want to finish top 6 though
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
We don't have the luxury of picking and choosing what vuo we can win. We never win cups even when favourites.
We keep our chances of winning ANY trophy as high as possible for as long as possible. That starts with going full strength tonight IMO.
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by #1 House - (U17162)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm so baffled why spurs don't seem to win trophies. Spurs is obviously a big club and has history. I'm a United supporter and if if we're not going to win whatever tournament then I'd love to see Spurs win it instead. That CL final a few years ago I would have been so happy to see Spurs lift it. Even an FA Cup win I think would be a huge platform for Spurs to build further success from
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I do sometimes wonder what would have happened had we won that CL. We were 90 minutes from it which seems crazy right now, but maybe just maybe it would have been a springboard, but deep down I kind of know ENIC would probably have just rested on their laurels and not kicked on.
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Im not gonna lie and pretend to know the internal stuff with ENIC etc.
As a kind of outsider looking in Spurs look like they have a better team than us United, and ontop of that it's also far more simple for Tottenham than say for us. Win a trophy, just win a trophy and build upon it.
If Spurs win or don't win a trophy this season I'm sure you'll hovering around top 4 either way.
posted 3 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 13 minutes ago
We don't have the luxury of picking and choosing what vuo we can win. We never win cups even when favourites.
We keep our chances of winning ANY trophy as high as possible for as long as possible. That starts with going full strength tonight IMO.
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100 per cent correct. Absolutely no way can Spurs prioritise what trophy to go for when they haven't won anything for so long. City may be able to. But Spurs need to take every cup competition ultra serious. Let's hope Ange gets that.
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
I think Ange will hide behind a weakened team tonight
I hope I’m very wrong
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
I think every supporter would take a cup win over league position at the moment, other than being 1st, but I don't see why progress can't involve doing well on a number of fronts. That is what progress should look like, not just finishing 10th but winning a League Cup.
Obviously it depends how low in the league you'd finish. Let's be honest though, nobody really remembers Ramos as being a good Spurs manager despite the league win. We're looking for a manager to take us to the next level, and that should hopefully mean doing better in cup competitions AND in the league. Another Ramos is not really what we're looking for, even if we'd all love a cup win.