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The scale of turning a club around

I am reading a lot of articles on here about the work Ruben Amorim needs to do to turn things around at MUFC. This is no mean feat.

Lets make no bones about this, if Ruben Amorim is the man for this job, then you need to give him time, and lets be honest, the state of the team he is taking over is awful.

The only comparison I can make is when Jurgen Klopp to over at LFC, he changed everything, he was given the clean sweep that was needed. Look at the players he ruthlessly let go when he first came to the club, and who he continued to let go before he left:-

https://www.lfchistory.net/transfers/bymanager/28/0

There were a lot of fan favorites in that list, and even some of our own who came through the ranks and we thought were decent.

Martin Skrtel
Jose Enrique
Jordan Ibe
Joe Allen
Lucas Leiva
Daniel Sturridge
Adam Lallana

All fan favorites, but he didn't care and he recognized these players were not good enough, and he got rid.

Klopp sold/let go 81 in total. The only 2 I think he didn't want to let go were Emre Can and Coutinho.

The job to turn LFC around was massive, but he was stuck with even after finishing 8th in his first season, then a few more seasons finishing 4th and 3rd but things were starting to happen. It took Klopp 3 years to win his first trophy.

Now, back to the task at MUFC, the new manager for me has an even bigger job to do than what Klopp had to do at LFC, there are players at the club who MUFC fans think are better than they are, I do not think there is one single elite player at the club at the moment.

You might have to bite the bullet and watch fan favorites leave, Rashford, Garnacho, Fernandes, these players are not really as good, or potentially good as you might think they are. But you will realize this after you move on.

MUFC are to much of a juggernaut to be in the doldrums for ever, I always remember Sir Alex Ferguson saying one of his biggest fears were LFC finally getting it right, and this is where MUFC are now on the cusp, this new guy could be your moment, he might make decisions that baffle you, but he must be given time.

I think it will take this new guy another 5 years to get you back to where you need to be, and that is just competing, to actually then take the next step and achieve will take another 2 or 3 years on top.

But if the fans are patient, and the board backs him, then it could be exciting times ahead for MUFC.

posted on 5/11/24

I do believe 'most' United fans are very patient. I think on 606 the core United supporters are perhaps not, but when you hear the fans on matchday I think for the most part they are patient.

I'm confident Amorim will be given time, whether it works out or not is a other question

posted on 5/11/24

Another***

posted on 5/11/24

United fans are patient. The media aren't.

posted on 5/11/24

The problem is the difference in salaries the players you've listed would have been on compared to the United players.
All them players were snapped up pretty quick. A lot on this board are shouting for Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Mount and Harry to be sold. We'd be lucky to get Coutinho money for the lot of them.

posted on 5/11/24

Yes a lot of United's deadwood is on such high wages they'll struggle to get any fee at all for them and may even just need to either pay them off to leave or let them rot in the reserves. It's what we had to do with a few non team players when Arteta became manager.

Whether the money men at United would sanction that sort of action I'm unsure.

posted on 5/11/24

comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 38 minutes ago
The problem is the difference in salaries the players you've listed would have been on compared to the United players.
All them players were snapped up pretty quick. A lot on this board are shouting for Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Mount and Harry to be sold. We'd be lucky to get Coutinho money for the lot of them.
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Yes, that is a good point, but if you look at the list, take into account how many player Klopp let go on a free.

His first 5 players he released were on a free. A few were on decent wages if I remember:-

Lazar Markovic
Alberto Moreno
Daniel Sturridge
Nathaniel Clyne
Adam Lallana

All of them were moved on without a fee. Even toward the end he allowed Booby Firmino, Naby Keita and Oxlade Chamberlain all go for nothing.

He was allowed to be pretty ruthless. That is another issue MUFC have had, they have been reluctant to allow average players just walk away, well except for David DeGea and he was one they should have kept.

posted on 5/11/24

*Bobby

posted on 5/11/24

Also, can Admin put this on the UTD board as well ?

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 5/11/24

I think Klopp and Arteta have shown it can be done with a good team above them and sufficient backing in the market, although Arteta hasn't taken that final step to success.

In some sense though I feel that these successes bough ETH more time, because the club wanted to follow a similar model, but they just ended up dragging out a bad situation.

posted on 5/11/24

comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 6 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Custardeyes (U4500)
posted 38 minutes ago
The problem is the difference in salaries the players you've listed would have been on compared to the United players.
All them players were snapped up pretty quick. A lot on this board are shouting for Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Mount and Harry to be sold. We'd be lucky to get Coutinho money for the lot of them.
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Yes, that is a good point, but if you look at the list, take into account how many player Klopp let go on a free.

His first 5 players he released were on a free. A few were on decent wages if I remember:-

Lazar Markovic
Alberto Moreno
Daniel Sturridge
Nathaniel Clyne
Adam Lallana

All of them were moved on without a fee. Even toward the end he allowed Booby Firmino, Naby Keita and Oxlade Chamberlain all go for nothing.

He was allowed to be pretty ruthless. That is another issue MUFC have had, they have been reluctant to allow average players just walk away, well except for David DeGea and he was one they should have kept.
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This is mistaken.

Sturridge has a CL winners medal. Lallana has CL & PL winner medals. They were both part of Klopp's peak LFC squads.

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