I notice there's been some words from Ukraine that a few there might not be feeling the love from Labour.
This isn't a dig at Ukraine (I pinky promise I voted remain 2016 and Labour 2024)
My main worries is and has been for a good few years..
1. The environment / climate change (now climate emergency because we've reached that point)
2. Ukraine
3. Cost of living
My 2016 vote in the final hours of that referendum came down to the environment / climate change. I figured as a nation economically not much would change for us in the UK whether we remained in or left the EU.
However I thought about that environmental policy (Paris 2015). That by remaining in the EU, the environmental targets of the UK for the next few decades would be sharpened.
But that wasn't to be and here we are and whilst not the UKs fault we see in the news more fire, more flooding, more displaced peoples by odd weather patterns, and god knows what else is incoming.
Anyway jumping back to Ukraine I have read that some in Ukraine are feeling abandoned by Labour
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/08/relationship-between-uk-and-ukraine-has-worsened-since-labour-won-election
Even though I voted labour this summer just like the rest of us, I do have concerns toward labour whether they're actively promoting support to Ukraine or not? I bloody well hope they are!!
Now that Trump is in, Ukraine is now dependent on European support. Trump isn't a fascist he just sees everything in monetary value. Every meeting /discussion is about how many dollars can he make?
So the EU needs to forget about US support and get it's sh!!!t together.
The UK may not be in the EU anymore, but geographically and I think spiritually a lot of us here still think of ourselves as being European. I certainly do.
Going back to Ukraine and labour I would love to think that we will continue to support Ukraine by any means, but if Labour has suddenly distanced it's self a bit I will be disappointed even as a Labour voter.
Labour / Ukraine Relations
posted on 9/11/24
comment by spyro-12 (U21947)
posted 5 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by #1 House - (U17162)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 4 minutes ago
I was with you OP until you said this “ Going back to Ukraine and labour I would love to think that we will continue to support Ukraine by any means, but if Labour has suddenly distanced it's self a bit I will be disappointed even as a Labour voter.”
I certainly don’t think UK Europe NATO ETC should support Ukraine “by any means” sorry but if that means the citizens of NATO are put in harms way then thanks Ukraine but we come first. It’s a crap situation but Ukraine isn’t worth risking WW3 for. Unless Russia attacks a NATO member directly there’s not much more NATO can and should be doing tbh.
And yes I know NATO sent Ukraine up sheeets creek without a paddle by egging them on to overthrow a democratically elected leader and install a puppet with the promise of letting them in but that’s just how the monkey gets forked sometimes.
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That's fair. I can appreciate the concerns with 'by any means' in terms of supporting Ukraine.
This is just me from my own personal perspective, but I've never seen a world power invade a country so close to home in the manner in which they have. To me it seems as though there has been no legitimate justification for it other than a land grab. Yes NATO expansion etc. but NATO is already the most powerful security organisation on earth, why does it need to expand?
NATO does not, so the Russian arguments makes no sense for invasion.
I compare Russia to a world power still because Russia still has the power to blow up the world if it wants to.
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I think this point is totally lost on many in the Anglosphere m8
They're probably the most brainwashed ppl on the planet ...which is ironic considering they accuse everyone else of being victims of propaganda , etc
posted on 9/11/24
If you aren’t volunteering to fight in a particular war, you shouldn’t be advocating for it.
Rip off the Ukraine badges.
Pretending to care should be illegal. Virtue signaling for status points is horrific.
We need to call these people out.
posted on 9/11/24
Ano...my last comment pretty much calls out 90% + of the people on this site
posted on 9/11/24
comment by Peks - Aliens are amongst us 👽 (U6618)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
If you aren’t volunteering to fight in a particular war, you shouldn’t be advocating for it.
Rip off the Ukraine badges.
Pretending to care should be illegal. Virtue signaling for status points is horrific.
We need to call these people out.
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The wet knickers over Trump winning on this site is awful. Perhaps people forgot he has already been president before and did not do any of the things people are saying he will.
He certainly will not try and use the DOJ as his personal firing squad like the Dems tried to do. He's petty, but not that petty.
Apparently they even tried to get Stormy Daniels to and say it was SA, not just an affair. People have affairs. I don't agree with it, but it happens. Clinton abused his power and nothing happened. No one is moaning about that are they? So why Trump?
Leaders of countries need to be feared and he is feared by the bad leaders of the world. I wish we had someone with half the backbone he has.
In four years I expect a lot of these sheep and virtue signalers to see they are wrong and admit it.
posted on 9/11/24
comment by The God Fowler (U2538)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Peks - Aliens are amongst us 👽 (U6618)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
If you aren’t volunteering to fight in a particular war, you shouldn’t be advocating for it.
Rip off the Ukraine badges.
Pretending to care should be illegal. Virtue signaling for status points is horrific.
We need to call these people out.
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The wet knickers over Trump winning on this site is awful. Perhaps people forgot he has already been president before and did not do any of the things people are saying he will.
He certainly will not try and use the DOJ as his personal firing squad like the Dems tried to do. He's petty, but not that petty.
Apparently they even tried to get Stormy Daniels to and say it was SA, not just an affair. People have affairs. I don't agree with it, but it happens. Clinton abused his power and nothing happened. No one is moaning about that are they? So why Trump?
Leaders of countries need to be feared and he is feared by the bad leaders of the world. I wish we had someone with half the backbone he has.
In four years I expect a lot of these sheep and virtue signalers to see they are wrong and admit it.
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Trump has an undisputed and clear mandate this time do and say wtf he wants this time. Im sure he will. In fact he has already started.
posted on 9/11/24
Is voting labour like some badge of honour on here?
They're all a bunch of lying, corrupt cants. I wouldn't be proud about voting for any of them.
posted on 9/11/24
Amazing, 10 million people, most of them elderly are going to freeze to death this winter, but what the heck let's throw money on that endless meaningless dck contest war at all costs.
posted on 9/11/24
Is voting labour like some badge of honour on here?
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LOL
posted on 9/11/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
Is voting labour like some badge of honour on here?
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LOL
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What ?
OP goes "I pinky promise I voted labour" as if everyone would give him sh!t if he didn't.
posted on 9/11/24
Don't worry, Musk is calling the shots now.
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1855307889411309902?t=ihzGuAJurtX8xoBeo99g7g&s=19