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Could Fergie Time be counted as a legacy?

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 21 seconds ago
Yeah maybe, but I was talking about legacy so…
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You said that the most successful manager in British football doesn't have a legacy mate. And you expect people to take you seriously?
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In terms of influence on the game, I don’t feel he has much legacy no. I’ve been very clear in what I’ve written, and also backed it. You’ve even agreed with it.

I like ya Elvis but you’re having a bit of a mare here. I’ve not written anything crazy, I just feel that Peps influence in the game is unsurpassed and clearly written as to why. That’s it.
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I'm not having a mare at all. You've made comments aimed at getting attention, then accused others of seeking attention. Its laughable.

You have also made ridiculous comments about SAF not having a legacy. The most successful manager in Britain, who adapted his techniques and tactics over 27 years to remain competitive right until his retirement at 71 years of age.

You have suggested that Pep wouldn't want to copy SAF in terms of his spend on players, despite the fact Pep has actually averaged a spend of 44% more than SAF in his time in England.

Then you have congratulated me for agreeing with a post from Melton in which is agrees that SAF will always have the greatest legacy of any manager. Before posting again saying you was talking about legacy? Eh?

And I am the one having a mare?

There's that lack of self-awareness again.


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Nice rant.

Go find where I’ve posted ‘Ferguson has no legacy’… you can’t. It’s just another lie.

It’s really hard to debate with someone so partisan and disingenuous so I’ll leave the thread. I also struggle to respect someone blaming their inaccurate posts and dodging of questions on their personal life, that’s incredibly low rent imo.

Have a nice day.

You have suggested that Pep wouldn't want to copy SAF in terms of his spend on players
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Another lie. Embarrassing.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
Could Fergie Time be counted as a legacy?
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His trophies are his legacy, but that not what anyone was talking about. Or I certainly wasn’t, which is why I wrote about influence but hey ho, a lot of Utd fans are incredibly sensitive about the two good managers they’ve ever had.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Could Fergie Time be counted as a legacy?
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100%.

Even though it has been proven to be a myth of course. Liverpool were actually the team to benefit most. Chelsea were 3rd and United 5th on the list.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 21 seconds ago
Yeah maybe, but I was talking about legacy so…
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You said that the most successful manager in British football doesn't have a legacy mate. And you expect people to take you seriously?
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In terms of influence on the game, I don’t feel he has much legacy no. I’ve been very clear in what I’ve written, and also backed it. You’ve even agreed with it.

I like ya Elvis but you’re having a bit of a mare here. I’ve not written anything crazy, I just feel that Peps influence in the game is unsurpassed and clearly written as to why. That’s it.
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I'm not having a mare at all. You've made comments aimed at getting attention, then accused others of seeking attention. Its laughable.

You have also made ridiculous comments about SAF not having a legacy. The most successful manager in Britain, who adapted his techniques and tactics over 27 years to remain competitive right until his retirement at 71 years of age.

You have suggested that Pep wouldn't want to copy SAF in terms of his spend on players, despite the fact Pep has actually averaged a spend of 44% more than SAF in his time in England.

Then you have congratulated me for agreeing with a post from Melton in which is agrees that SAF will always have the greatest legacy of any manager. Before posting again saying you was talking about legacy? Eh?

And I am the one having a mare?

There's that lack of self-awareness again.


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Nice rant.

Go find where I’ve posted ‘Ferguson has no legacy’… you can’t. It’s just another lie.

It’s really hard to debate with someone so partisan and disingenuous so I’ll leave the thread. I also struggle to respect someone blaming their inaccurate posts and dodging of questions on their personal life, that’s incredibly low rent imo.

Have a nice day.
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Robbing, you said that he had no legacy in terms of styles of methods. His legacy was clearly that he adapted his style/methods to stay competitive over such a long period of time. He taught us that you cannot remain set in your ways and must adapt and change with the times to remain at the top. I think that the juxtaposition of Wenger in the same period and his refusal to adapt his own approach and methods, and subsequent failure to win the PL in the final 14 years of his reign at Arsenal, highlight that perfectly.

As for me personal life. My wife died 15 months ago. I have two young children to care for, as well as working full time. I finish work at 3pm to go and collect them from school, before taking them to various clubs, making them tea, bathing them, helping them with their homework and sorting out packed lunches for them the next day. I also have to find some time to do a little extra work. I very rarely have any time for myself before 10pm. Nothing low rent about that you polonker.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
You have suggested that Pep wouldn't want to copy SAF in terms of his spend on players
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Another lie. Embarrassing.
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Fergie was a great manager, but his impact on the game is gone, there’s no legacy in terms of style or methods

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Could Fergie Time be counted as a legacy?
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100%.

Even though it has been proven to be a myth of course. Liverpool were actually the team to benefit most. Chelsea were 3rd and United 5th on the list.
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That’s teams that scored past the ninetieth minute rather than do certain teams get more time added on if they’re losing than others.

They did show that seemed to exist, not specific to United though.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20464371.amp

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
You have suggested that Pep wouldn't want to copy SAF in terms of his spend on players
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Another lie. Embarrassing.
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Fergie was a great manager, but his impact on the game is gone, there’s no legacy in terms of style or methods
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Just to jump in with a hot take

I don't see the same clamour to emulate the style of play and tactics Ferguson (he only retired 11 years ago) used in the same way there is with Pep. Pep has become synonymous with a style that's seen as the benchmark of the game in numerous leagues.

I'd also say the players that played for United haven't gone on to be successful managers by and large. Pep, comparatively, has former players at a higher level IMO.

Like Elvis, it’s hard to know if Robbing is on the wind up or he’s genuinely lacking self awareness here.

He made a silly dig to imply that one of the greatest managers of all time relied on outspending everyone and bullying refs, and then went onto make a bizarre comparison between Ferguson and Guardiola… judging Ferguson on something he wasn’t at the club to do.

Several people have pointed out the flaw but I guess Robbing is just desperate to find something to criticise SAF for.

Ferguson was a manager. There’s plenty about the way he moulded United, managed players and recruited personnel that lasts into today’s game, but football has changed and gradually that fades.

The same will happen with Guardiola’s approach, I’m sure. Things change.

But fundamentally they performed / perform different functions. The implication that Pep is better because he’s influenced coaching techniques and SAF hasn’t is really quite a bizarre take.