Rainbow Laces

comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 26 minutes ago

I don't see the rainbow armband as a display of virtue. It's a public demonstration of a shared standard and expectation that bigotry isn't accepted in the sport. Yes, this means that any individual act of wearing the symbol doesn't send a particularly meaningful message. But that's almost the point: people are herd animals far more than we like to admit. Most people tend to conform to norms. Homophobia was a historic norm. As a kid I learnt that pretty quickly and (I'm ashamed to say) used homophobic language in my daily banter and рiss-taking. The point of universal tolerance symbols is to set new norms. Which is why I'm not sure we should be quite so comfortable with providing exemptions to tolerance on the basis of religious conviction. It seems to me that perhaps you need to ask homophobes to stay in the closet.
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To me it's a totally meaningless gesture. But even if you do view it as a "public demonstration of a shared standard and expectation that bigotry isn't accepted", then surely it's rendered moot if the only option is "wear it or face punishment"?
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Who says that's the only option? Ipswich could e.g. let someone else wear the arm band while Morsy continues to play football and collect his generous salary. It would be a way of expressing solidarity with gay people as an institution without forcing the player to do anything.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
I mean 3.8% of UK male adults are gay, it's highly likely many footballers in all major leagues around Europe are gay but don't want to be public about it, most likely because of the backlash they will receive which is incredibly sad. No one should have to hide their sexuality because of fear.
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No doubt there’s a few but without meaning to be stereotypical, most gay men I know or have met have zero interest in football whatsoever so I reckon it is a small, small percentage in the men’s game.

There’s definitely lots of open gay women playing football though which is positive but obviously a different environment.
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Don't you think the aura of traditional laddishness, laced with homophobia, is the reason why gay men have historically been less keen on football - rather than a general disinterest in the sport, inherited with the gay gene? Kind of like how African Americans don't tend to enjoy the sport of setting fire to crosses while dressed in white robes?
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Fair point even if the last sentence is a little extreme
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I expect the usual gang to be all over this.

Unless making jokes about racial bigotry is OK so long as you are right on with LGBT?

It's all so confusing - ask Gregg.


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It's really not that confusing.

And why would anyone be 'all over' my comment? It works as an analogy, even if it's stretched to the absurd.

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
“Basically, you deny one less God than I do. You don’t believe in 2,999 gods. And I don’t believe in just one more.”
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That's the one, thanks TOOR
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What Gervais said is nonsense as he fails to distinguish between the God who created the universe (who people are referring to when the say they believe in God) and pagan gods that people make up.

If some people say there are 3000 moons orbiting the Earth, that doesn't mean those who say there is only one are wrong.

comment by Ruben's Revamped Reds (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
“Basically, you deny one less God than I do. You don’t believe in 2,999 gods. And I don’t believe in just one more.”
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That's the one, thanks TOOR
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What Gervais said is nonsense as he fails to distinguish between the God who created the universe (who people are referring to when the say they believe in God) and pagan gods that people make up.

If some people say there are 3000 moons orbiting the Earth, that doesn't mean those who say there is only one are wrong.
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Hmm I'm sure Hindu's, Sikhs, Buddhists and quite a few Muslims disagree with this characterisation of the different gods they worship.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
“It's all so confusing - ask Gregg.“

Ah yes, the Gregg who pressed his d-ck against a woman’s bum and said ‘ooh you liked that didn’t you”. Who told multiple women about his favourite s-x acts, told a contestant “I'll munch the living daylights out of your little tart.” and also told his PA to leave parts of his day free to have a-x and then blamed it all on elderly middle class women. Very confusing.
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comment by Ruben's Revamped Reds (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
“Basically, you deny one less God than I do. You don’t believe in 2,999 gods. And I don’t believe in just one more.”
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That's the one, thanks TOOR
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What Gervais said is nonsense as he fails to distinguish between the God who created the universe (who people are referring to when the say they believe in God) and pagan gods that people make up.

If some people say there are 3000 moons orbiting the Earth, that doesn't mean those who say there is only one are wrong.
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That's the one you believe created the universe. Other people believe a different god created the universe. That's the point he's making. They disagree with all the other gods but one, he disagrees one more than they do.

What a stupid example. You don't have a choice with shirt sponsors but the rainbow thing is optional and he did what he thought was right. Complete none story.

comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Resistance is Existence (U1108)
posted 7 minutes ago
What a stupid example. You don't have a choice with shirt sponsors but the rainbow thing is optional and he did what he thought was right. Complete none story.
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He could also have joined a club more aligned to his values if we're going down that road.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Resistance is Existence (U1108)
posted 7 minutes ago
What a stupid example. You don't have a choice with shirt sponsors but the rainbow thing is optional and he did what he thought was right. Complete none story.
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He could also have joined a club more aligned to his values if we're going down that road.
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Values for sale

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA... (U2462)
posted 7 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Resistance is Existence (U1108)
posted 7 minutes ago
What a stupid example. You don't have a choice with shirt sponsors but the rainbow thing is optional and he did what he thought was right. Complete none story.
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He could also have joined a club more aligned to his values if we're going down that road.
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What does that even mean?