We need to talk about Lisandro

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
On Mainoo, it is the same as I said about Rashford about six years ago. He isn’t as good as some of our fans think.
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Whilst that might be the case right now, the kid is 19 years old. It’s no age at all.

I’m not suggesting that he’ll reach the levels of the following, because very, very few do; but compare him to the likes of even Scholesy and Carrick, who were recognised as talents relatively early in their careers, and Kobbie is ahead of even that curve.

How many as impressive CMs are there under the age of twenty in world football right now? Lewis, Lavia, Gavi, Neves? Can’t think of any more off the top of my head.
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He doesn’t have the passing range or vision to fit with those you’ve mentioned. I’m with VC I just don’t think he’s that good (atleast not up to the massive hype). Sure he’s been fresh air coming in and doing well last season, he’s been injured which hasn’t helped at all. But it was my fear that he’d been talked up unreasonably far, and it would harm his development, but football is football. Hopefully with more game time we’ll see levels like last season.
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I wasn’t directly comparing their attributes; just where they were in their development at his age.

Neither Scholes nor Carrick had great passing range at Kobbie’s age either btw.
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Fair enough

Both Scholes and Carrick were playing far further forward earlier on in their career so you weren’t really seeing their passing range and only played deeper later on. Mainoo I recall was also playing further forward in the youth set ups but since breaking into the first team has started far deeper than those 2.

Mainoo seems quite different to both, the way he keeps hold of the ball using the sole of his feet you can see futsal has had a huge impact on his style.

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Slack Alice (U9489)
posted 1 minute ago
Varane was our best CB easily
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Yep, since prime Rio & Vidic
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When fit he was our best box defender. He was our worst CB with the ball at his feet, which many of our fan base gave him a free pass for, presumably because they were so invested in hating all the others that they were crying out for someone to contrast them with.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 46 minutes ago
Both Scholes and Carrick were playing far further forward earlier on in their career so you weren’t really seeing their passing range and only played deeper later on. Mainoo I recall was also playing further forward in the youth set ups but since breaking into the first team has started far deeper than those 2.

Mainoo seems quite different to both, the way he keeps hold of the ball using the sole of his feet you can see futsal has had a huge impact on his style.
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Scholes certainly was. He was playing as a second striker before moving to eight, then dropping further back later in his career.

Carrick was already playing at CM/DM at West Ham I think. They had Joe Cole playing higher up behind Di Canio and Defoe?

Where’s Maf the only time anyone has ever needed him?…

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Slack Alice (U9489)
posted 1 minute ago
Varane was our best CB easily
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Yep, since prime Rio & Vidic
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When fit he was our best box defender. He was our worst CB with the ball at his feet, which many of our fan base gave him a free pass for, presumably because they were so invested in hating all the others that they were crying out for someone to contrast them with.
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He wasn’t as bad on the ball as some made out.

Kinda too late for that.

I always give a new player 'enough' time before deciding a or b, x or y etc. That's why I'm so rarely wrong. But I pointed out, fairly early on, that he wasn't EPL level.

It's not simply a case of recent or past ability. Some have it, some don't. He doesn't.

He was a transfer made in desperation. Another example of a basic lack of advanced proactive planning and the implementation of reactive 'sop' offering.

Although who the 'sop' is being offered to, or for what other purpose, remains a bit of a mystery, even to one of my greater wisdom.

I've kinda given up trying to work such things out, considering just how deep and long-running such, and similar, problems are at the club

As long as they keep selling those new shirts, I suppose

That's why I'm so rarely wrong
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 15 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Slack Alice (U9489)
posted 1 minute ago
Varane was our best CB easily
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Yep, since prime Rio & Vidic
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When fit he was our best box defender. He was our worst CB with the ball at his feet, which many of our fan base gave him a free pass for, presumably because they were so invested in hating all the others that they were crying out for someone to contrast them with.
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He wasn’t as bad on the ball as some made out.
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You could say that about anyone, couldn't you, because 'some' will always be harsher than reality. But he was less comfortable on the ball than United's other central defenders. That's why he was singled out by opponents (along with Wan-Bissaka) as the player they wanted to force us to pass to in build-up.

comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (U1192)
posted 11 hours, 35 minutes ago
That's why I'm so rarely wrong
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“even to one of my greater wisdom”
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