Just one point from last nights announcement that I don't think has been picked up on.
For months and months and months, the Doughty bashers have claimed that we have been (approx) £60 million in debt to him, which he would claim back once he sold up. This they claimed was holding us back, was deterring from external investment, was a burden on the back of NFFC etc etc etc. This was a reason they used, time and time again, to indicate why he was bad for our club and bad for the future of our club.
Now he has said he won't be claiming this back, it would be nice for these people to come out and maybe eat a bit of humble pie. And before you say it, yes he had to go, yes he made poor decisions, yes we had 12 years of misery (not necessarily my opinions I must add).
Goodbye Nigel, thankyou for trying! Some of us appreciate it.
Doughty not going to ask for cashback!
posted on 20/10/11
Trees, I think we're in agreement tbh, more or less. I agree that our AP was poor - There were probably too many people on it for it to be useful (Pelling, Arthur, Burt, Manager, Pleat, Doughty I think?) although I can't comment on other clubs equivalent set-ups.
With regards football club management, surely that's how most clubs are run (i.e. at a loss)?
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Hoons,
Glad we agree about the inefficiency of our AP at least.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that kind of money being spent over a 12 year period should surely have ended up with a better return, ie premiership football at the least, rather than the lows that actually transpired. I put that down to the club being run poorly from the top down ?
When you stay in charge for such a prolonged period of time, as ND has done with us, as the owner, he simply has to end up being culpable. He has maybe had a whole lot of bad advice from the board/AP whatever, but you can't just can't keep blaming someone else for that. You could probably be forgiven for the first 3/4 years of his tenure with giving him the benefit of the doubt. But after 12 years, with the terrible state the club is in, it has to be his fault as the owner, and he has to do the decent thing and sell up
posted on 20/10/11
It's a shame that he got most managerial decisions wrong. I just hope that SC is one of his better ones. So far I'm impressed with SC's approach
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I'd certainly agree with that Webbo. I hope that the players continue that kind of effort and desire the rest of the season. I do worry big time about this Saturday though mate at Blackpool. Lost our last 4 against Holloway's team so need a big performance. I'd be chuffed with a point
posted on 20/10/11
Definitely. And with the right managers in place over the 12 years I'm sure we would have been in the Premiership during that time. It boils down to his poor judgement and a succession of managers who weren't good enough. The only decent manager we've had in that time is Billy, but I can understand why he was sacked because he's a loud mouthed little t!t. I'd have sacked him too if I were his boss!
posted on 20/10/11
Definitely. And with the right managers in place over the 12 years I'm sure we would have been in the Premiership during that time. It boils down to his poor judgement and a succession of managers who weren't good enough. The only decent manager we've had in that time is Billy, but I can understand why he was sacked because he's a loud mouthed little t!t. I'd have sacked him too if I were his boss!
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You see Hoons I think we have had the right manager , at times, in place. No-one can deny that ND hasn't put money into the club. But the things that grates on me is the timing of his investment in the squad at times during his tenure. I find it hard to believe that Harty wasn't completely sold short when we were knocking on the door of the prem big time.
I'll ditto that with Billy. I'm a big fan of his and even if you don't like his outbursts, on the pitch, he was a big success and got this team over-achieving. I genuinely believe that if ND had backed Billy a bit more during any of the transfer windows, I think it would have turned us from a top 6 side into a top 2 side. I genuinely believe maybe 2/3 players would have carried us through. Particularly during Billy's first FULLseason in the ccc ? What on earth was the whole prattingham thing about ? That is the kind of thing why I feel like I do about ND and MA
posted on 20/10/11
We did have unrealistic targets though. Pratley, Whittingham, Moses etc etc .... all players which would have improved us but all players we were never going to get without spending completely over the odds and offering wages in excess of what we were playing the rest of our squad. Maybe BD and the scouting network are at fault for not providing realistic targets? (Not saying this is the case, just a suggestion)
I agree though, if we HAD managed to sign the players we were after, then I'm sure we would have been promoted back then.
posted on 20/10/11
Hoons,
But is the whole ridiculous thing of Marthur saying on the OS at the start of that particular prattigham saga that they were as good as Forest players, only for nowt to transpire. I'm just sick to the back teeth of both of them and think they have had so many chances for such a long time that us fans deserve a fresh start completely ....
posted on 20/10/11
That's the one thing that Arthur did that really P'd me off. Made himself and NFFC look stupid in the process. We did agree terms with Swansea for Pratley though, his wage demands would have made him by far the highest player in the squad though - that's where that one broke down. Don't know anything about the Whittingham saga.
I don't have much against Arthur, but I really can't see him staying now that we have a full time Chairman. Surely his role will now be more or less redundant?
posted on 21/10/11
Why do u fink most people who critisise ND, accept it might not neccersarily be his decisions but the people directly under him who he is paying!
The person at the top always has to take responsabilty!
ALWAYS
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I agree AladdinSane, just like I blame your mum and dad for the rubbish you come up with! They should be ashamed of themselves.
posted on 21/10/11
I don't have much against Arthur, but I really can't see him staying now that we have a full time Chairman. Surely his role will now be more or less redundant?
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Who knows Hoons ? That's a tough one. I truly believe that ND or Marthur are not quite as inconspicuous as they should be. I also believe that they won't become completely redundant until the club is sold. And I sincerely hope it is soon as I genuinely think the best thing for the future of our club is a complete clean break from the current regime
posted on 21/10/11
We'll have to disagree on that one. Despite his bad decisions over the years, I honestly feel his heart was in the right place. As such I'd like to see him stay on as an owner with no say in the day to day running - just as is the case now. Whether this will happen I don't know, but i hope so. Having a true fan (and a very rich one) own your club is a privilege not many teams can boast about.