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Torres & Carroll

Good evening, today I would like to share my thoughts on Torres and Carroll and how I personally think they could get back to both of their previous forms. And also, most importantly gather the majority of your well informed opinion on the matter.

Which striker has had the best of starts?

In all seriousness, neither of them have made the start they desired. They have both struggled in terms of goal, consistency, form and more so in Carroll's case, fitness.

They have both been record signings this season. However, neither regularly start for their clubs. They have both performed below expectations and most importantly their capabilities. But I believe Torres has made more of an impact than Carroll has at Newcastle or Liverpool.

Although they both have five goals to their names this season, Torres has played more and involved himself in play more than Carroll has ever done at Newcastle. The only problem Torres seems to have is lack of motivation, he gives up so easily on his team mates. We all know the Chelsea midfielder's are not as the same as they were in previous seasons, but he would be scoring a lot more if he had high levels of tolerance as it is essential.

Why are they both taking so long to settle-in?

They both need to take some responsibility for their form. The price tags are also evidently weighing quiet a bit on their shoulders.

Both of them are high-profile signings, but it's so much easier to settle into a team at its peak rather than having to fire them back up there so quick. Ironically, the reason to why they have not have been of form is not just because they are missing their opportunities or receiving fewer supplies from their midfield than usual. In my opinion, the defenders are also piling so much pressure onto their shoulders — both of their teams defensive record have been terrible this season.

I know it sounds silly, but when your team mates are rock solid at the back it is so much simpler — the pressure is off. So, if you do score, you are going to be the headline of the game and if you do not score you it would not be as bad as losing, depending on the fixture of course.

But when you have your team performing well, strikers mentalities changes all of a sudden.

The best way to get the best out of them tactically?

Torres has previously played in a front free, but for some reason he never looks comfortable playing in a 4 3 3 at Chelsea. I personally think it is down to him being asked to consistently drop wide whenever he is playing with Drogba and Anelka. He is usually at his best in the middle of a front three. I remember how much of a threat he was at Liverpool with Stevie G playing off him — their understanding was telepathic to be honest.

Chelsea should consider playing Mata off him in order to feed him like Stevie G did at Liverpool.

As for Carroll, he is also a great player in the box. Yes, he can also link-up play and produce outside the box. Though, he is most dangerous attacking crosses in the box. His link-up play with Torres is OK, but they have not played together often enough for us to judge them. But if Kenny wants Carroll to perform like he did at Newcastle, instructing his players to put in crosses would be ideal for starters. If that did happen, Carroll would eat opposition defenders for breakfast to be frank.

What do they need to do in order to get back to their best?

For starters, they need to work their buts off, not too hard as things will certainly continue to go against them. Also, believe that their current situation will change — I doubt personally doubt it will.

How long do their clubs wait?

As long as it takes, unless they are in a position to bring in better players. Both are talented players but one might face the axe.

comment by Gav™ (U11519)

posted on 4/12/11

Cheers

posted on 4/12/11

Ahh much better, well done

comment by macca (U9788)

posted on 4/12/11

Fair comments and a good review of two players in similar circumstance. For me, Carroll has looked lethargic and it's only in recent weeks when his work rate has increased that he has started to improve. If he can continue to build on that and improve his confidence, he can come good. He needs to do the work though.

posted on 4/12/11

In my opinion, the defenders are also piling so much pressure onto their shoulders — both of their teams defensive record have been terrible this season.

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Liverpool's defensive record is one of the best in the League! Carroll is 22 and is playing in a whole different system compared to the Newcastle side he played in. The only problem Carroll has is that he needs time and games to settle into a new style.

posted on 4/12/11

Sorry bro but I've just smoked a phat one laced with that vicious mean green and right now mans really aint up to discussing this now nah mean? How bout you close the thread and reopen it tomorrow when mans will be in a fresher state. That way we can talk this whole thing out. Peace bro.

posted on 4/12/11

Good balanced article, something interesting that parser said earlier on Goals of Sunday was that no doubt Carroll was good but Liverpool aren't playing to his abilities, he said at Newcastle the players would hit the ball into the box as soon as their was a chance whereas at Liverpool players like Downing etc try to skin a few players then cross by the byline where and by this time Carroll ha already made his movement so isn't in the best position for him to score when he's Inge right position we see he scores like at Everton but to be fair it's not he's been bad infront of goal just hasn't had the chances

posted on 4/12/11

Some good points made, however as has been said Liverpool's defensive record has been good which completely negates one paragraph.

The question for Carroll is whether he can adapt to a different style of football. He likes to receive the ball early, but the way Kenny is asking the team to play, this isn't always going to happen.

The good thing is that he is only 22 and has plenty of time to adapt to to a new style of football and become a more rounded player.

posted on 4/12/11

Stopped reading after, "which striker has the best of starts"!!

been a year at CFC hasnt he!!! start??...id say he is way way past that....both of em in fact.

posted on 4/12/11

Torres has made more of an impact than Carroll has at Newcastle or Liverpool. Although they both have five goals to their names this season, Torres has played more
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This confuses me. Liverpool are actually playing well and Carroll isn't having a negative impact on our season.
Is Torres' inclusion affecting Chelsea, you better believe it.

Torres, like you say, has played more and in my eyes, one of the key reasons for Chelsea's demise.

Compare both players careers prior to their January moves and Torres was rated one of the worlds best strikers, Carroll was an up and coming player at Newcastle.

Carroll hasn't performed at Liverpool but in my view, Torres is having a nightmare at Chelsea.

The big difference is that Torres' displays has disrupted everything at Chelsea.

posted on 4/12/11

Torres plays best in a 4-5-1 with him as the lone striker playing off the creative man in the 'hole'.
He can't play in a 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 and this is the problem Chelsea had with Shevchenko.

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