What was more delusional/ridiculous

Billy, you still haven't apologised for the put downs and character assasinations of a victim of racial abuse.

Now you want Evra punished or using insulting language on the pitch. Wyy stop there? Let's ban everyone who swears on the pitch including refs.

There is a difference between an insult and racial abuse. That's why Suarez was given the ban. It's not rocket science

comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)
posted 13 seconds ago
Elvis

Sorry, I forgot to say that it doesn't matter whether it was racist or not, Suarez was charged with insulting Evra, as per the wording of their charge...

"Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);"
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You mean like how Rooney was charged for swearing on the pitch? Did you feel at the time that Kenny should have also been charged for swearing on camera?

Billy you are being disingenuous. That is not the entire charge

The Independent Regulatory Commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows:

Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);
Mr Suarez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000;
the [penalty] is suspended pending the outcome of any appeal lodged by Mr Suarez against this decision.

The Independent Regulatory Commission will provide written reasons for its decision in due course setting out:

(a) the findings of fact made by it;

(b) the reasons for its decision finding the charge proved; and

(c) the reasons for the penalty.

Mr Suarez has the right to appeal the decision of the Independent Regulatory Commission to an Appeal Board. An appeal must be lodged within 14 days of the date of the written reasons for the decision.

The penalty is suspended until after the outcome of any appeal, or the time for appealing expires, or should Mr Suarez decide not to appeal. The reason for this is to ensure that the penalty does not take effect before any appeal so that Mr Suarez has an effective right of appeal.

daredevil

Why do you keep going on about an apology?

I have my opinion, I still do, until I see the evidence then that will not change.

Oh, and you are right about there being a difference, having said that the FA charged Suarez with both things from what I can see. Using abusive and insulting language contrary to FA rules....and being abusive whilst referring to ethnic origin and colour.

So there is a difference according to the FA and from what I interpret, you can be charged with using abusive and insulting language in isolation.

I feel that if Evra has used abusive and insulting language then the FA should investigate it, isn't that fair? Or is it only fair that Suarez gets done for insulting and abusing someone?

I feel that if Evra has used abusive and insulting language then the FA should investigate it, isn't that fair? Or is it only fair that Suarez gets done for insulting and abusing someone?
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Is it fair that only Rooney was charged for swearing on the pitch/camera?

Elvis

I feel that each case should be looked at individually, Rooney's and Dalglish's case were different imo.

Didn't Fergie swear in an interview both just before and just after Rooney's incident? I'm sure he did, yet he wasn't charged...probably because each case is taken on its own merits, I guess!

As should this case...

comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis

I feel that each case should be looked at individually, Rooney's and Dalglish's case were different imo.

Didn't Fergie swear in an interview both just before and just after Rooney's incident? I'm sure he did, yet he wasn't charged...probably because each case is taken on its own merits, I guess!

As should this case...
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Unless it involves Evra I presume? Otherwise why do u feel the FA should investigate the abuse he aimed at Evra, even though there is no suggestion it was racist?

Elvis

Eh?

I think I get what you are saying.

It just appears to be hypocritical that the FA can charge one player with being insulting and not the other, particularly when you consider that both things happened at the same time! I imagine the FA only got wind of Evra's insults whilst they were investigating the incident, yet it seems unfair to me that he can insult and abuse yet Suarez can not.

I am guessing that the two things are separate, i.e. the insulting/abusive charge and the racially abusive charge.

Anyway, this whole thing turned out as expected, I don't mean the outcome, I mean the reaction from both sets of fans...and you can be near enough certain imo if the verdict had been not-guilty, then the reactions would have been reversed.

It's funny to me how a lot of United fans now feel it is okay to take the word of the FA as being 100% correct, yet in the past they have be seen to be a joke who cannot be trusted to get things right! Again, this can be reversed depending on who you follow!

Billybob it is the reference to skin colour that makes the action serious. Just as it was Rooney swearing down the camera that made his actions serious. Why should Evra be in trouble when he didn't use racial connotations? That happens every game. References to skin colour in an abusive manner don't.

Elvis

As I have said, I think that the FA charged Suarez with two things. The first one of which was using abusive and insulting language (regardless of the racial language).

I may be wrong with this, but that's how it appeared at the time to me and that's how it appears now with the statement from the FA.