Beckford off?

Right, apologies for the coming essay...


Nev - Arguably, if you take out the wide players and revert to a diamond then the squad becomes even more defensive.

Sven's players aren't all bad, I'm not saying that. In fact many of them are clearly good players, but they came for the previous manager, who has now gone. That is not the current manager's fault and he's the one who should be backed now. The players should either be getting behind him or they should leave - he has proven before, not just just here - that he can inspire players and get the best out of them, but if they harbour a big chip on their shoulder about Sven then there's little he can do.

This assumes of course that several are asking to leave. It's hard to know how accurate this is or how many because various sources will report different things. Even on here, it's been very hard to predict whether others' predictions are credible or not, even if many are posted in good faith (which I think they are).

Should we be concerned by these rumours? It depends on the players.

If it's:
Ball
Johnson
Pantsil
Moreno
- So long, thanks for coming, goodbye.

Danns
Abe
St. Ledger
- A little disappointing maybe, but you weren't /that/ good when Sven was here either so you can't really complain too much.

Beckford
Fernandes
Bamba
Mills
- Would be a shame and also surprising because you appear to be trying hard. This might be a little concerning.

Schmeichel
Peltier
Konchesky
Nugent
- Would be a problem if they're unhappy given how the fans are taking to them.

Incidentally, going through this list shows just how many of "Sven's players" there are (bar one or two in that list), so is it really surprising if some of them are unhappy?


John - I find it very hard to believe that Pearson has been some sort of monster in his time at Southampton, Leicester, Hull and anywhere he was before, but this has somehow been neutralised by the chairman and chief exec each time, only to come out now when people like Susan Whelan and Andrew Neville are around - particularly given how pleased everyone seemed to have him back in the first place.

And if Pearson needs to break up Sven's team to bring in his own type, perhaps he'll bring in players of the type to get us into the playoffs and beyond, given more money to spend?

In terms of questioning Pearson's current reign, I can say that I wish we were knocking the ball around like... well, Southampton were. But I'm not disappointed to lose Sven's entire halves of apathy. I simply haven't seen anything that needs to be seriously complained about yet - any bad things I've seen I'm quite willing to be patient with.

Dung we have to give him time.

I'm just finding it hard to believe Svens charges are donkeys and all want to leave unless they know they arn't going to get a look in.

As for the diamond formation with Wellens at the base its slow put Abe there and it speeds up.

Who knows whats going to happen but this season is a mess and only a good run in the second half will lead to any chance of promotion via the play offs.

As for not supporting Nigel i have given my support to the team and whoever was the manager. I reserve to right to confused and still a bit stunned about the way this season is going?

"As for not supporting Nigel i have given my support to the team and whoever was the manager. I reserve to right to confused and still a bit stunned about the way this season is going?"

Sounds fair to me.

As regards to some of these players not getting a chance - I suspect they will now. It's getting harder and harder to keep Wellens in the side in particular so we may well see changes for Boxing Day. Pearson's given some players a chance and some consistency, now it's probably time to give others a chance. (I have a feeling Fernandes will get the nod.)
But I agree with Pearson's thinking on this. Patience is what's needed.

John why are you so unwilling to give Pearson a chance?

The guy has done nothing wrong, as far as I'm aware he has done a good job at every club he has been at. Why are you so against him!

I believe he plays a very limited type of football and has little understanding of tactical variations and strategies needed for a successful campaign in the current Championship and would be lost in Premiership.

I believe he runs his teams on a zero tolerance basis with no idea of the need to manage the different egos and complexities of modern footballers. Nor does he attempt to.

To bring him back was a disastrous decision for which he camnnot be blamed - see Neville!- but this has been exacerbated by his patent disregard of available squad and defaulted to his traditional players and tactics which is arrogant nonsense.

I fear we will lose a massive opportunity for promotion under his watch, lose talented players ..and even the support of the investors

I hope to be proved wrong

John, can you answer me one question. If Pearson is such a bad man manager, why did Hobbs, Frustr and Waggorn rush to join him at Hull? Why did the players put him forward as a candidate to return? Why did he get the best out of players like Fryatt, Berner an others that I would term "decent but nothing special".

As I posted on a previous thread, any player wishing to leave that isn't Nugent or Schmeichel does so with my blessing. Not one has given a performance to warrant otherwise.

Let's look at Sven's "quality" shall we. Johnson. That's it. And he's not for an has a stinking attitude from what I hear. Everyone else, whilst decent at championship level is nothing special.

I can understand your disapproving comments regarding Pearson's style of football John, but what I can't fathom is why you can put such a character assaination of a man who I only hear good things about from the people I know In the game who have worked with him.

If you know something we don't, please share. Otherwise you just look like you have a personal issue with Pearson with no credence to your arguments.

And one final point John.

Why would Pearson try and manage an ego if that ego is an untalented as DJ Campbell or Joe Mattock?

If he was pushing players like Wayne Rooney out of the door I'd be worried, but players like those that have gone on to prove just how little talent they actually have, I see no reason to "tolerate".

Do you go to work and encourage all of your inept trouble making staff with a bad attitude to go for promotions? My guess is you show ten where te door is!!

John I couldn't disagree with your opinions of Pearson.
His style of play may not be the most exciting to watch but he gets results once he has the team playing.
You say he runs a team with zero tolerance but I would much rather him do that than be a "friend" like Sven was to the plAyers that's for the coaches to do, the manager should be respected and even be slighted feared by the players do they understand who is in charge, and well if they dont like it then as Mersey and Others have said they can go!!
He has gone to players he knows as he hasn't yet fully been able to see what other options he has that would be better, I'm sure this will change in January. I'm sure there will be changes on boxing day.
As for saying that we will lose a chance of promotion, well surely that was slipping away week by week under sven?? I feel a lot more confident under Pearson than I ever did under Sven.
And to say we will lose players, I couldn't disagree more! Sure a couple will leave or moan but then that just shows they signed for the money and to play under a big name not because they wanted to play for Leicester city and if that is their attitude good riddance. But all the noises from players have always been positive, from when he left our players being gutted he left, to hull players practically begging for him to stay right through to when he returned all the players being thrilled. And as for losing investment, well that's just not going to happen, why would they pay off Sven and pay Nigel a massive some to come back if they are just going to walk away??
All in all I'm delighted he is our manager, I truly believe if e had stayed before we would be playing premiership football already, but that's by the by. With him as manager I believe we can make the play offs and if we don't go up this season then it will be next, I couldn't say I had the same feeling under sven

"I believe he runs his teams on a zero tolerance basis with no idea of the need to manage the different egos and complexities of modern footballers. Nor does he attempt to."

If you have people like Campbell and Mattock in your side, who think they are destined for greatness, or at least better things than we could have provided then, there's very little you can do about it - unless you're willing for the manager to be held to ransom playing them every week and hoping that we succeed massively - and even that probably wouldn't be enough for them. You cannot allow a manager to be overrun like that.

As for tactical variations, we shall see. I believe I've seen different tactics from him while he was at the club before, but I'd be interested for you to give some examples of what you don't think he's capable of as those words are very vague to me at present.

As for decreeing the decision to bring him back as disastrous: I have to assume that's a prediction as it plainly hasn't been yet. And, as hopefully you've seen as I've debated with you, I haven't seen reason to believe that this is even close to nailed on yet.

I should also add that I don't have to be happy with the earliness of Sven's removal to be happy with Pearson's appointment.

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"You say he runs a team with zero tolerance but I would much rather him do that than be a "friend" like Sven was to the plAyers that's for the coaches to do, the manager should be respected and even be slighted feared by the players do they understand who is in charge"

Perhaps more of a general point than specific to this thread, but John; I do have some sort of strange anticipation of your posts.

It very much reminds me of my lectures in English Literature at college, where, at the age of 16, I would be involved with discussions and study of such writers as Plath, Shakespeare, Poe, Conrad, Milton, etc.

Whilst their work sometimes completely perplexed me, I was rewarded, eventually, with a greater understanding and appreciation of and for their work.

Unfortunately I don't seem to be able to apply the same logic to your 606 contributions, but I look forward to my Robert Langdon moment, where everything you say becomes completely logical and falls in to place