first and foremost we alll stop criticizing and making sensationalist claims. We have not seen all the evidence for or against, the decision, until that point how can we really make a personal judgement.
8 matches does seem an awful lot, if ( a big if) the evidence they are going off is just evras word. So surely they should have released all the information straight away, then statements like the liverpool one just released would be reduced.
This is an extremely difficult position they have put themselves in, as anything to do with culture is mostly down to interpretation and context. It should never have been closed to the public in this case as this is a landmark decision.
I also believe fellow united fans should show a little more class, who hasnt had a racist thought or whatever. That does not make you a racist and it doesnt make suarez one either. Wumming on the liverpool board helps nothing in this scenario.
I also find the negative comments from lfc regarding evra extremely unfair, he came and spoke out which is something that is encouraged in our society and further players should not be discouraged from doing so. I would hope that this is an il advised statement that will be revised with cooler heads.
In my own opinion (based only on what i have read so far) this seems to be a case of part naivety of the player and just plain stupidity tbh, but then we need to see the full context of what was said.
also can we please get past the fa would never ban a united player comments as they have on numerous occasions in the past. (cantona, rooney, ferdinand, ferguson etc.)
from an honest united fan on th ban fiasco
posted on 21/12/11
comment by redconn > (U5676)
But while the Age of Enlightenment all but ended the superstition-based discrimination against gingers, racial discriminatory legislation persevered in first world countries well into the 20th Century, and a significant minority of people hold racist views today.
Ask any of the level headed love-children of Ronald McDonald and most of them will be fairly apathetic to slurs against them. We got a bit of banter for it in school, but no one really bothers about it after then. Whereas you have ignorant bigots who actually still spout the rubbish that lead to centuries of slavery and inequality against black people.
posted on 21/12/11
i think if someone came out and straight out intended to racially abuse someone then yes a season ban would be apt, but it would seem that this case is a lot more complex than that.
the terry situation is also now even more interesting. If they give him a smaller ban then surely things will be even worse for them, but if they give him a massive ban it doesnt look good from an england point of view either
posted on 21/12/11
In relation to slavery; if facts must be known people with 'black skin' where orginally responsible for the actions to the word known as 'slavery'.
posted on 21/12/11
To be fair i dont believe that Suarez can claim any innocence no matter what his culture. You come to England, you get paid a shed load of money, you shouldnt have to be told not to make a silly comment that could land you in trouble, racist or not.
Your right about Evra, even as a City fan I can say that if he feels injustice was said against him then he should speak out as should any player in the league.
That said there isn't that much evidence that has been portrayed to the media but if the FA have given an 8 match ban I can only assume they have pretty conclusive evidence, as I don't believe even the FA would hand out an 8 match ban just on Evra's word
posted on 21/12/11
The simple fact is Suarez will think twice in future before he opens his stupid mouth!!
posted on 21/12/11
Ginger people were not sold into slavery you moron, seriously is that the argument you would use that to call someone ginger is in any way equal to a racist comment because you are trying to defend one of your football teams player, is that what your trying to do?
If so your a despicable person, you should educate yourself
On the difference.
posted on 21/12/11
Liverpool fan ANFIELD RAP has written a wonderful post on this:
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/67525
posted on 21/12/11
Good, sensible article.
As a 'white' who's always lived in 'white' societies, I have never felt racial discrimination, but I think I understand how a member of a racial minority might feel because I have been insulted on the basis of nationality and also on (perceived) religious grounds - ironic really, as I'm an atheist...
Perhaps the ginger debate isn't the best one, but to this day, people around the world are discriminated and/or persecuted on the basis of ethnicity, religion or nationality. Cases of state-organised ethnic/religious cleansing are in fact even more recent in Europe than a European nation actively persecuting a particular race.
This brings me round to asking why issues of race are considered more serious than discrimination on other grounds related to someone's heritage. It seems to me that only one part of the problem is being addressed as if it were the whole.
posted on 21/12/11
don't blondes get more stick than red heads, anyway?
Red heads are feisty and determined.
Blondes are dizzy and thick.
posted on 21/12/11
Yes, Blondes definatley get more Stick!