Good article.
The whole conspiracy thing really winds me up, because as you've pointed out it's often United players on the wrong end of these landmark rulings, e.g. banning Rooney last year when they didn't really need to do anything.
We're annoyed at the fact that they're throwing the book at Suarez for something which is highly questionable yet they fought tooth and nail to reduce the ban of an England international for assaulting a fellow footballer
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That is literally the first time I've seen that mentioned on here.
Also, I don't really think you can compare the two incidents.
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Just out of curiosity... Why is skin colour dealt with differently than for example, someone being called ginger
That's a far bigger question than the one we're dealing with here.
For now, the answer is: because it is.
Wrong. The answer is that society is still light years behind the discovery of common sense.
no, possibly some wont have said something racist intentionally, but saying something deemed racist by others is another kettle of fish entirely.
It is a difficult area to interpret as most would agree, i just find the slanging match and talk of law suits very unhelpful.
maybe we should be concerned about how foreign players are integrated into the modern day game. Are we giving enough guidence to players of different cultures, this is something that I dont think i could do, but should possibly be looked at
OK Metro, my take on it is this:
What is the worst treatment to which a ginger-haired person (or community of ginger-haired people) has ever been subjected, solely on the basis of hair colour?
Considering it turns out half the foreigners and many of the locals in the league call each other Negrito, there's a lot of training needed. It'll cost millions.
Who will pay for it?
Good article by the way.
We're annoyed at the fact that they're throwing the book at Suarez for something which is highly questionable yet they fought tooth and nail to reduce the ban of an England international for assaulting a fellow footballer
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So if kicking that player is assault then Suarez is a racist. Both incidents happened. Can you not see the irony? Example Zidane in the world cup final, assult in the first degree, applauded around the world , why , because he stood up for himself in the face of advertisy, just like evra has.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM
What is the worst treatment to which a ginger-haired person (or community of ginger-haired people) has ever been subjected, solely on the basis of hair colour?
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Irrelevant... Both are aesthetic attacks on another human.
I believe the late chris hitchens mentioned something about how the world is so dumbed down that it cannot really differentiate abuse be it skin or hair. One is considered poking fun, the other is an arrest able offence ?
Bonkers
yeah maybe re education is not the answer, but maybe the clubs should take more responsibility in the future. These players are often coming from countries with different attitudes towards race etc.
So if kicking that player is assault then Suarez is a racist. Both incidents happened
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You missed the point.
We're talking about the reaction of the FA
you actually could make a very strong case on genetics that gingers are a race.
The having souls part would be a bit tougher to prove Andy
redconn he did a follow up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK6NbGhMw4w&feature=relmfu
It's not irrelevant.
Not sure what point Christopher Hitchens was trying to make there; I'd have to see the quote in context. Seems more like he's saying that society's too dumb to realise there is a difference (which would back up my point). As I say, I'd have to see more.
Don't get too caught up on thenword 'race'
The bottom line is that they're both attacking the image of a fellow human being.
Why is one seen as poking fun and the other seen as appalling
Wow, you completely misinterpreted that one
Why is skin colour dealt with differently than for example, someone being called ginger
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this is a stock BNP argumnet
Well in fairness you've only paraphrased.
As a ginger, I don't really take offence at people insulting the colour of my hair, but then again, I don't really take offence easily. Maybe some people would, but to be honest, a lot of the time, I think offence is taken by people with a victim mentality.
I would say that racial abuse falls outside of this bracket though, as there is extensive historical evidence of racism being used in state enforced discrimination within most western countries, meaning that the social implications of racial abuse can easily be tied to the barbaric ideologies of previous centuries (decades in some cases).
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posted on 21/12/11
Good article.
The whole conspiracy thing really winds me up, because as you've pointed out it's often United players on the wrong end of these landmark rulings, e.g. banning Rooney last year when they didn't really need to do anything.
posted on 21/12/11
We're annoyed at the fact that they're throwing the book at Suarez for something which is highly questionable yet they fought tooth and nail to reduce the ban of an England international for assaulting a fellow footballer
posted on 21/12/11
comment by Metro_1 (U6770)
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That is literally the first time I've seen that mentioned on here.
Also, I don't really think you can compare the two incidents.
posted on 21/12/11
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posted on 21/12/11
Just out of curiosity... Why is skin colour dealt with differently than for example, someone being called ginger
posted on 21/12/11
That's a far bigger question than the one we're dealing with here.
For now, the answer is: because it is.
posted on 21/12/11
good answer JR
posted on 21/12/11
Wrong. The answer is that society is still light years behind the discovery of common sense.
posted on 21/12/11
no, possibly some wont have said something racist intentionally, but saying something deemed racist by others is another kettle of fish entirely.
It is a difficult area to interpret as most would agree, i just find the slanging match and talk of law suits very unhelpful.
maybe we should be concerned about how foreign players are integrated into the modern day game. Are we giving enough guidence to players of different cultures, this is something that I dont think i could do, but should possibly be looked at
posted on 21/12/11
OK Metro, my take on it is this:
What is the worst treatment to which a ginger-haired person (or community of ginger-haired people) has ever been subjected, solely on the basis of hair colour?
posted on 21/12/11
Considering it turns out half the foreigners and many of the locals in the league call each other Negrito, there's a lot of training needed. It'll cost millions.
Who will pay for it?
Good article by the way.
posted on 21/12/11
We're annoyed at the fact that they're throwing the book at Suarez for something which is highly questionable yet they fought tooth and nail to reduce the ban of an England international for assaulting a fellow footballer
=========================================
So if kicking that player is assault then Suarez is a racist. Both incidents happened. Can you not see the irony? Example Zidane in the world cup final, assult in the first degree, applauded around the world , why , because he stood up for himself in the face of advertisy, just like evra has.
posted on 21/12/11
posted on 21/12/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM
posted on 21/12/11
What is the worst treatment to which a ginger-haired person (or community of ginger-haired people) has ever been subjected, solely on the basis of hair colour?
.....
Irrelevant... Both are aesthetic attacks on another human.
I believe the late chris hitchens mentioned something about how the world is so dumbed down that it cannot really differentiate abuse be it skin or hair. One is considered poking fun, the other is an arrest able offence ?
Bonkers
posted on 21/12/11
yeah maybe re education is not the answer, but maybe the clubs should take more responsibility in the future. These players are often coming from countries with different attitudes towards race etc.
posted on 21/12/11
So if kicking that player is assault then Suarez is a racist. Both incidents happened
...
You missed the point.
We're talking about the reaction of the FA
posted on 21/12/11
you actually could make a very strong case on genetics that gingers are a race.
The having souls part would be a bit tougher to prove Andy
posted on 21/12/11
redconn he did a follow up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK6NbGhMw4w&feature=relmfu
posted on 21/12/11
It's not irrelevant.
Not sure what point Christopher Hitchens was trying to make there; I'd have to see the quote in context. Seems more like he's saying that society's too dumb to realise there is a difference (which would back up my point). As I say, I'd have to see more.
posted on 21/12/11
Don't get too caught up on thenword 'race'
The bottom line is that they're both attacking the image of a fellow human being.
Why is one seen as poking fun and the other seen as appalling
posted on 21/12/11
Wow, you completely misinterpreted that one
posted on 21/12/11
Why is skin colour dealt with differently than for example, someone being called ginger
***
this is a stock BNP argumnet
posted on 21/12/11
Well in fairness you've only paraphrased.
posted on 21/12/11
As a ginger, I don't really take offence at people insulting the colour of my hair, but then again, I don't really take offence easily. Maybe some people would, but to be honest, a lot of the time, I think offence is taken by people with a victim mentality.
I would say that racial abuse falls outside of this bracket though, as there is extensive historical evidence of racism being used in state enforced discrimination within most western countries, meaning that the social implications of racial abuse can easily be tied to the barbaric ideologies of previous centuries (decades in some cases).
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