Well yes maybe there are some obvious one's, you know who they are. However there are many, more than match goes in fact, using simple logic, who are just as loyal, who have just as much love for the club, as somebody who is able to get to every game.

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Do you honestly think anybody is going to take your opinion seriously?

not that it is an opinion, you seem to think you're a judge, giving a verdict on the debate.

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I couldn't care less what you think tbh TooR, as i know I'm right on this one & I'm not offering an opinion on this issue, I'm stating a fact.

Any FAN who travels the length & breadth of the country following their team, is a 'bigger, better, more worthy' (or any other tag you care to choose) FAN, than some armchair with a TV remote & a bucketful of excuses. The end.

I couldn't care less what you think tbh TooR, as i know I'm right on this one & I'm not offering an opinion on this issue, I'm stating a fact.

Any FAN who travels the length & breadth of the country following their team, is a 'bigger, better, more worthy' (or any other tag you care to choose) FAN, than some armchair with a TV remote & a bucketful of excuses. The end.
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Obvious this is true if the situations are the same ie:-

Fan1 and Fan2 live far from the stadium.
Fan1 and Fan2 both have access to tickets.
Fan1 and Fan2 can both afford the tickets.
Fan1 and Fan2 can both travel.
Fan1 and Fan2 are both healthy.
Etc etc.

Fan1 goes to games, Fan2 does not.

In otherwords, once again you're talking crap.

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So Tobes, what is the difference between a fan and a spectator?

I know people who go to games (not Liverpool) but don't sing at all during the 90 minutes. What are they offering in terms of support that someone not at the game isn't?
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Singing isn't offering support, being there is being a fan though. Not all fans sing, it doesn't matter a jot imo.

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So Tobes, what is the difference between a fan and a spectator?

I know people who go to games (not Liverpool) but don't sing at all during the 90 minutes. What are they offering in terms of support that someone not at the game isn't?
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Singing isn't offering support, being there is being a fan though. Not all fans sing, it doesn't matter a jot imo.
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Singing is offering support. It shows you support the club and the players and this spurs them on, thus supports them.

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Obvious this is true if the situations are the same ie:-

Fan1 and Fan2 live far from the stadium.
Fan1 and Fan2 both have access to tickets.
Fan1 and Fan2 can both afford the tickets.
Fan1 and Fan2 can both travel.
Fan1 and Fan2 are both healthy.
Etc etc.

Fan1 goes to games, Fan2 does not.

In otherwords, once again you're talking crap.
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You just defeated your own inane argument, as in your example Fan 1 is indeed a FAN & Fan 2 is an armchair 'supporter'.

If they're not exact comparables the same principle applies. I don't go to many aways (albeit every home is 5hr round trip) but I've known lads who travel to every away, pre-seasons, Europeans the lot....they're more committed than I am, & are therefore more 'fanatical' & therefore greater 'fans' - fact.

Tobe you don;t half talk out of you ass.

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So what are they adding by being there? In that sense they are giving less to the club than the stewards or ball boys dotted around the edge of the pitch if its just about making up numbers.
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Well they're paying for a start off. What am I adding if I take a seat in an exec box behind double glazed windows? Am I not offering more than the sad middle aged man, in his faded replica shirt, downing his third beater whilst watching the plasma in his local?

Tobe you don;t half talk out of you ass.
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Once cornered with pure logic you always revert to abuse.

Take issue with what I said, or admit defeat.....

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comment by Toblerone Boots (U4965)
posted 12 minutes ago
Obvious this is true if the situations are the same ie:-

Fan1 and Fan2 live far from the stadium.
Fan1 and Fan2 both have access to tickets.
Fan1 and Fan2 can both afford the tickets.
Fan1 and Fan2 can both travel.
Fan1 and Fan2 are both healthy.
Etc etc.

Fan1 goes to games, Fan2 does not.

In otherwords, once again you're talking crap.
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You just defeated your own inane argument, as in your example Fan 1 is indeed a FAN & Fan 2 is an armchair 'supporter'.

If they're not exact comparables the same principle applies. I don't go to many aways (albeit every home is 5hr round trip) but I've known lads who travel to every away, pre-seasons, Europeans the lot....they're more committed than I am, & are therefore more 'fanatical' & therefore greater 'fans' - fact.
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Seriously?

I knew you were stupid but really?

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Seriously?

I knew you were stupid but really
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As previously stated, when cornered with logic, resorts to abuse.

You're not capable of matching me in a debate TooR, you've proven this over & over, I'd give up if I was you - put me back on ignore, it'll make you feel better about yourself sweetie

Now either post a decent logical response or skulk off TooR, there's a good lad.

Not really, no.
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Do you know how much an exec box is at an average PL ground mate?

I live in Wiltshire, and I support my local sides (Swindon and Salisbury) by attending games when I can. I even did some stewarding at Salisbury. I was at Wembley with Swindon on Sunday (that's a day of my life I'll never get back )

But I am a Liverpool fan.
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& a nice chap to boot if I may say so

Albeit, I'd say you were a Liverpool supporter, rather than a fan or do you go to Anfield as well?

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posted 7 minutes ago
Seriously?

I knew you were stupid but really
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As previously stated, when cornered with logic, resorts to abuse.

You're not capable of matching me in a debate TooR, you've proven this over & over, I'd give up if I was you - put me back on ignore, it'll make you feel better about yourself sweetie

Now either post a decent logical response or skulk off TooR, there's a good lad.
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The problem I have with you, is I say one thing and you take another thing from it, so it's not exactly a debate when you argue points you've created rather than points I've made is it?

I'll try again:-

Obvious this is true if the situations are the same ie:-

Fan1 and Fan2 live far from the stadium.
Fan1 and Fan2 both have access to tickets.
Fan1 and Fan2 can both afford the tickets.
Fan1 and Fan2 can both travel.
Fan1 and Fan2 are both healthy.
Etc etc.

Fan1 goes to games, Fan2 does not.

Fan 2 is not a good supporter.

However if these factors do come into play then it is not exactly possible to say Fan1 is a better supporter than Fan2. In fact the chances of Fan2 being more of a fan are mathematically more possible, as there are 50,000 people in the stadium but 100's of millions of fans around the world. Using probability one could say that out of those hundreds of millions there's be over 50,000 fans who if not opposed by the factors I outlined above would attend just as many games and who'd be more of a support.

The problem I have with you, is I say one thing and you take another thing from it, so it's not exactly a debate when you argue points you've created rather than points I've made is it?

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That's because half the time you don't realise that what you've posted is contradictory, as you've frantically typed away with your little fat fingers before engaging your little brain.....

However if these factors do come into play then it is not exactly possible to say Fan1 is a better supporter than Fan2. In fact the chances of Fan2 being more of a fan are mathematically more possible, as there are 50,000 people in the stadium but 100's of millions of fans around the world. Using probability one could say that out of those hundreds of millions there's be over 50,000 fans who if not opposed by the factors I outlined above would attend just as many games and who'd be more of a support.
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You've still not quite grasped it have you?

Let me simplify it for you....

There's match goers & then there's armchairs.......

The match goers are football FANS, as they're FANATICAL about their team, to a level where they get off their rse & go & follow them - whether that be down the round or around the globe the principle is the same.

Yes, there's a finite amount of seats, but day trippers from Japan manage to get their hands on them, so it's always possible & anyway a true FAN will do what needs to be done, in order to watch their team play.

Some FANS go every week, some go a handful of times per season.

The rest, who don't go, make excuses why can never go, talk about millions rather than 100's of thousands, ticketeting issues etc etc ad infinitum & then get uppity when this subject comes up........are armchairs pal.

I give up. It's senseless debating with you. You're a complete moron.

I give up. It's senseless debating with you. You're a complete moron.
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CODE FOR: I driven my rather stupid argument down a cul de sac & have been owned yet again.

I will therefore insult the patently more intelligent poster & flounce off.