Lesnar vs Rock vs Cena vs Undertaker at wrestlemania 29.
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Its the start of the people power era.
The people want Cena crushed more often. Off to a good start.
I actually feel sorry for John now, and have done so for over a year, by no means am I a fan of his and enjoyed The Rock winning at WrestleMania but something must be done to have him win over the fans; it's not his fault his rise to stardom coincided with the degrading of WWE to PG, perhaps this is the start of a reversal.
but something must be done to have him win over the fans;
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By turning heel.
Same reason they brought back The Rock - desperation. If WWE's up and coming roster was as good as the fanboys claim they'd be no need to take him.
I'd send him to SD to feud with Orton, leading to a title based push in the summer. NOT AGAINST PUNK. Complete mismatch.
Nope, apart from the odd raw confrontation, think they'll avoid each other.
but something must be done to have him win over the fans;
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By turning heel.
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Cena will go heel before the close of 2012. I'm sure of it. They're teasing it very obviously now.
I personally think it won't work, because of the inevitable anti-climax factor attached to the concept due to horrible mismanagement of his character. The negative reaction towards Cena has nothing to do with the face/heel dynamic (he did just fine as the babyface sarcastic rapper), he just personifies everything that's stale and devolved about wrestling. And where a heel turn is concerned, the WWE have wrote themselves into to small a corner. The worst thing imagineable would be for him to go heel and it not be believeable, like Batista's roid rage joke of a transformation.
To put it bluntly, i have no idea how to save him. I can't present a scenario which won't fly in the face of his goodie goodie boy scout mentality. The Nexus angle he found himself in would've been perfect if Barrett could've established himself as a manipulative mastermind, nurtured him into the group painfully, slowly stripping away his resolve, etc... rather than casting him off as his property. Alas, that golden egg got thrown in the trash. Huh
I think wwe have missed the boat for a spectacular heel turn with cena at wrestlemania. If they decide to turn hime heel it will be undermined by the fans who will cheer out of relief. They should have some how intergrated a heel turn at mania e.g. going to shake hands with the rock afterwards and giving him the aa and beating on him for a while. miami would have gone nuts. Could have been as big as the Hogan heel turn in wcw. The key is it has to take everyone by surprise. He can't just turn on the wwe and think everyone will hate him. It's a shame because I think he has got potential to be a decent heel when he gets a bit of momentum....
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The majority don't boo him because he is "stale" or shows because he shows the problems in wrestling, the majority boo him because it's the "cool" thing to do. Children and women are said to cheer cena while men all boo him. It's not a protest against him or anything else it's just become the in thing to do.
scribe said it perfectly, he doesnt need "saving" at all! at this point a heel turn would do nothing for him, he gets the biggest reaction from the crowd every raw as everyone in the arena is either cheering or booing him. At this point if he did turn heel who exactly would he face? a feud against CM punk, Orton or Sheamus would just be dull as they have all be done and wouldnt be any different to when he was a face. There are some great stories and feuds coming out of the wwe at the moment, cena does not need changing at this point he entertains and gets people involved whether you boo him or cheer him.
John Cena will never turn
The WWE are loving the gossip but it adds to his character that he remains loyal.
It's people who have changed. These days, we like the rebel or the heel
I personally think John Cena is the best thing in the WWE right now - never has someone roused so much opinion.
The WWE are playing it off the bat and the fans are eating out of Vinces hand
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metro
haha, once again i can't agree with you. Cena remaining loyal adds NOTHING to his character, because what he's remaining loyal to is hollow. John Cena post 06 isn't a fictional character, he's a blueprint.
Hogan is the only wrestler in history who made this particuplar hollow gimmick work. Every other wrestler who ever got completely over had an identity, the fans helped them evolve but the wrestlers themselves made it because of their personalities. The problem with this gimmick WWE (and wrestling in general) like to push through every now and then, Cena's just been hit with it extra hard, is it puts the character's identity squarely in the people's hands. The wrestlers themselves are nothing more than silhouettes. Cena wasn't the first and he won't be the last to get put through this ancient, outdated push.
And the people rejected Cena a LONG time ago (rightly so), therefore the gimmick is rendered void. All blindly sticking to it does is damage Cena, him being the unfortunate face of this corrupted concept. I agree with the argument that a heel turn will do nothing for him as WWE's treatment of him to date has closed off that avenue - they've made a heel turn unattainable through pathetic mismanagement. But he has to reclaim his identity sooner or later.
From a promotional standpoint, Cena's character in this generation will continue to sell therefore justifing his existance in this shell. But from a creative standpoint, he's nothing more than walking poision.
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The majority don't boo him because he is "stale" or shows because he shows the problems in wrestling, the majority boo him because it's the "cool" thing to do. Children and women are said to cheer cena while men all boo him. It's not a protest against him or anything else it's just become the in thing to do.
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I agree there's a strong element of that involved. That's why i've never booed Cena out of a building, it's not his fault his empty gimmick sells like wildfire. If the writing team came to the ring with him, i'd have no problem booing them
If you think cenas gimmick is empty then you're mad
Never has a gimmick caused so much division.
His merchandise sells better than anyone so his gimmick must be more than 'empty'
Those that dismiss Cena merely prefer someone who thinks that going against the grain is cool.. A la Punk
If that's your thing then good for you
I don't mind you either, but please stop making random assumptions. There are so many different reasons people don't like Cena, some just follow the herd as someone said earlier, some don't like the fact he's taken 10 years to master 10 moves + 1 dodgy dropkick, another is merely what he followed (Rock, Austin, Lesnar ..... Cena?), some don't like his unrebellious nature as you said. I personally just haven't liked the management of his character for the past six years.
The gimmick is empty, the situation he's in however is not, i'll give you that. Referencing your comment on my article, Cena isn't the first wrestler to be put through this EXACT push template, and that extends beyond WWE, it's a wholesale pro-wrestling epidemic. Now the circumstances surrounding him are unique, never before has a wrestler as high profile as himself cursed such a fan divide, but the character behind all that environmental smoke is just another product of this dreadful watered down push.
I could got into so much more detail on the factors his environment have on his character, etc... but that's for another day
Btw, if your 4th paragraph on this comment is how you truly think. Stay tuned for the third chapter of my 'characters in wrestling' trilogy, you'll be surprised
I like Cena. It's the 'superhero' thing that's a draw. Can't take the Rock seriously since his 'tooth fairy' days.
The Rock and Lesnar are essentially walking insults to the rest of the WWE.
The only reason Cena is so talked about is because he is absolutely awful yet finds himself at the top of the food chain. It's like Liverpool paying £35M for Andy Carroll. How could somebody so awful be valued so highly? That's what everybody thinks of Cena. He's a ****ing joke, he is a terrible actor, he is slow, he is boring, his promos are terrible and repetitive, he doesn't put anybody over (losing clean vs the Rock is probably the first clean defeat he has had in 5 years), he doesn't actually have any moves. What is his draw? Why is he so high up the food chain? Just please somebody injure him or something, I don't care if it sounds harsh, I'm just so bloody sick of him. He couldn't even sell Lesnar's fecking return, he just stood there smiling. What a stupid
Cena isn't awful, by no way is he awful, he connects with the audience whether you boo or cheer him, he is the biggest draw in the company. His promos are better than the majority of the roster,
He puts plenty of people over, Sheamus, Punk and even Henry all became huge after defeating cena and this us just recently. His draw is he entertains, whether that entertainment is watching him win or get beaten up he does
The crowd had been chanting lesnars name all night, it wasn't a shock to anyone he was there that night If cena had have acted shocked it would have seemed so stupid as it wasnt a shock to anyone else apart from kids in the crowd who wouldnt even remember him.
Digby he didn't put them over, he didn't lose clean to any of them. I mean he might have lost clean to Sheamus but it looked more of an accident to me and even if it wasn't he lost the title like 2 weeks later so it didn't matter. The crowd chanted Y2J's name all night when he came back to face Orton who sold it well. For the record I had no idea Lesnar was coming back so it píssed me off even more seeing the muppet standing in the middle of the ring with a smirk on his face.
And don't get me started on his promos, standing in the middle of the ring shouting I will not quit and for those of you believe in me I will never turn against you BLAH BLAH BLAH just because he shouts it doesn't make it a good promo. The guy is a complete joke.
Impartial - You must be the only person who didn't know BL was coming back.
I woud agree with MonDieu but he's filtered me
Cena had already stopped twice to let the crowd chant lesnar, to then look surprised would have looked strange. I think everything he does will píss you off from the sounds of it whether its good or bad
Cena is often criticised for his move set, notably his spot which leads to the you can't see me - five knuckle shuffle.
But all wrestlers have spot routines. Orton has the double clothesline followed by a powerslam, followed by him dropping to the mat like a snake. Sure, its annoying because the opponents play the spot just as much as orton.
But if you watch cena, his moveset variety isn't that much different to anyone else.
The crowd like to chant 'you can't wrestle' which is ludicrous. Just because someone doesn't do armdrags, snapmares and pin reversals doesn't mean you can't wrestle.
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posted on 4/4/12
Lesnar vs Rock vs Cena vs Undertaker at wrestlemania 29.
posted on 4/4/12
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posted on 4/4/12
Its the start of the people power era.
The people want Cena crushed more often. Off to a good start.
posted on 4/4/12
I actually feel sorry for John now, and have done so for over a year, by no means am I a fan of his and enjoyed The Rock winning at WrestleMania but something must be done to have him win over the fans; it's not his fault his rise to stardom coincided with the degrading of WWE to PG, perhaps this is the start of a reversal.
posted on 4/4/12
but something must be done to have him win over the fans;
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By turning heel.
posted on 4/4/12
Same reason they brought back The Rock - desperation. If WWE's up and coming roster was as good as the fanboys claim they'd be no need to take him.
I'd send him to SD to feud with Orton, leading to a title based push in the summer. NOT AGAINST PUNK. Complete mismatch.
Nope, apart from the odd raw confrontation, think they'll avoid each other.
posted on 4/4/12
but something must be done to have him win over the fans;
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By turning heel.
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Cena will go heel before the close of 2012. I'm sure of it. They're teasing it very obviously now.
I personally think it won't work, because of the inevitable anti-climax factor attached to the concept due to horrible mismanagement of his character. The negative reaction towards Cena has nothing to do with the face/heel dynamic (he did just fine as the babyface sarcastic rapper), he just personifies everything that's stale and devolved about wrestling. And where a heel turn is concerned, the WWE have wrote themselves into to small a corner. The worst thing imagineable would be for him to go heel and it not be believeable, like Batista's roid rage joke of a transformation.
To put it bluntly, i have no idea how to save him. I can't present a scenario which won't fly in the face of his goodie goodie boy scout mentality. The Nexus angle he found himself in would've been perfect if Barrett could've established himself as a manipulative mastermind, nurtured him into the group painfully, slowly stripping away his resolve, etc... rather than casting him off as his property. Alas, that golden egg got thrown in the trash. Huh
posted on 4/4/12
Torres
posted on 5/4/12
I think wwe have missed the boat for a spectacular heel turn with cena at wrestlemania. If they decide to turn hime heel it will be undermined by the fans who will cheer out of relief. They should have some how intergrated a heel turn at mania e.g. going to shake hands with the rock afterwards and giving him the aa and beating on him for a while. miami would have gone nuts. Could have been as big as the Hogan heel turn in wcw. The key is it has to take everyone by surprise. He can't just turn on the wwe and think everyone will hate him. It's a shame because I think he has got potential to be a decent heel when he gets a bit of momentum....
posted on 5/4/12
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posted on 5/4/12
The majority don't boo him because he is "stale" or shows because he shows the problems in wrestling, the majority boo him because it's the "cool" thing to do. Children and women are said to cheer cena while men all boo him. It's not a protest against him or anything else it's just become the in thing to do.
scribe said it perfectly, he doesnt need "saving" at all! at this point a heel turn would do nothing for him, he gets the biggest reaction from the crowd every raw as everyone in the arena is either cheering or booing him. At this point if he did turn heel who exactly would he face? a feud against CM punk, Orton or Sheamus would just be dull as they have all be done and wouldnt be any different to when he was a face. There are some great stories and feuds coming out of the wwe at the moment, cena does not need changing at this point he entertains and gets people involved whether you boo him or cheer him.
posted on 5/4/12
John Cena will never turn
The WWE are loving the gossip but it adds to his character that he remains loyal.
It's people who have changed. These days, we like the rebel or the heel
I personally think John Cena is the best thing in the WWE right now - never has someone roused so much opinion.
The WWE are playing it off the bat and the fans are eating out of Vinces hand
posted on 5/4/12
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posted on 5/4/12
metro
haha, once again i can't agree with you. Cena remaining loyal adds NOTHING to his character, because what he's remaining loyal to is hollow. John Cena post 06 isn't a fictional character, he's a blueprint.
Hogan is the only wrestler in history who made this particuplar hollow gimmick work. Every other wrestler who ever got completely over had an identity, the fans helped them evolve but the wrestlers themselves made it because of their personalities. The problem with this gimmick WWE (and wrestling in general) like to push through every now and then, Cena's just been hit with it extra hard, is it puts the character's identity squarely in the people's hands. The wrestlers themselves are nothing more than silhouettes. Cena wasn't the first and he won't be the last to get put through this ancient, outdated push.
And the people rejected Cena a LONG time ago (rightly so), therefore the gimmick is rendered void. All blindly sticking to it does is damage Cena, him being the unfortunate face of this corrupted concept. I agree with the argument that a heel turn will do nothing for him as WWE's treatment of him to date has closed off that avenue - they've made a heel turn unattainable through pathetic mismanagement. But he has to reclaim his identity sooner or later.
From a promotional standpoint, Cena's character in this generation will continue to sell therefore justifing his existance in this shell. But from a creative standpoint, he's nothing more than walking poision.
posted on 5/4/12
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posted on 5/4/12
The majority don't boo him because he is "stale" or shows because he shows the problems in wrestling, the majority boo him because it's the "cool" thing to do. Children and women are said to cheer cena while men all boo him. It's not a protest against him or anything else it's just become the in thing to do.
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I agree there's a strong element of that involved. That's why i've never booed Cena out of a building, it's not his fault his empty gimmick sells like wildfire. If the writing team came to the ring with him, i'd have no problem booing them
posted on 5/4/12
If you think cenas gimmick is empty then you're mad
Never has a gimmick caused so much division.
His merchandise sells better than anyone so his gimmick must be more than 'empty'
Those that dismiss Cena merely prefer someone who thinks that going against the grain is cool.. A la Punk
If that's your thing then good for you
posted on 6/4/12
I don't mind you either, but please stop making random assumptions. There are so many different reasons people don't like Cena, some just follow the herd as someone said earlier, some don't like the fact he's taken 10 years to master 10 moves + 1 dodgy dropkick, another is merely what he followed (Rock, Austin, Lesnar ..... Cena?), some don't like his unrebellious nature as you said. I personally just haven't liked the management of his character for the past six years.
The gimmick is empty, the situation he's in however is not, i'll give you that. Referencing your comment on my article, Cena isn't the first wrestler to be put through this EXACT push template, and that extends beyond WWE, it's a wholesale pro-wrestling epidemic. Now the circumstances surrounding him are unique, never before has a wrestler as high profile as himself cursed such a fan divide, but the character behind all that environmental smoke is just another product of this dreadful watered down push.
I could got into so much more detail on the factors his environment have on his character, etc... but that's for another day
Btw, if your 4th paragraph on this comment is how you truly think. Stay tuned for the third chapter of my 'characters in wrestling' trilogy, you'll be surprised
posted on 6/4/12
I like Cena. It's the 'superhero' thing that's a draw. Can't take the Rock seriously since his 'tooth fairy' days.
The Rock and Lesnar are essentially walking insults to the rest of the WWE.
posted on 6/4/12
The only reason Cena is so talked about is because he is absolutely awful yet finds himself at the top of the food chain. It's like Liverpool paying £35M for Andy Carroll. How could somebody so awful be valued so highly? That's what everybody thinks of Cena. He's a ****ing joke, he is a terrible actor, he is slow, he is boring, his promos are terrible and repetitive, he doesn't put anybody over (losing clean vs the Rock is probably the first clean defeat he has had in 5 years), he doesn't actually have any moves. What is his draw? Why is he so high up the food chain? Just please somebody injure him or something, I don't care if it sounds harsh, I'm just so bloody sick of him. He couldn't even sell Lesnar's fecking return, he just stood there smiling. What a stupid
posted on 6/4/12
Cena isn't awful, by no way is he awful, he connects with the audience whether you boo or cheer him, he is the biggest draw in the company. His promos are better than the majority of the roster,
He puts plenty of people over, Sheamus, Punk and even Henry all became huge after defeating cena and this us just recently. His draw is he entertains, whether that entertainment is watching him win or get beaten up he does
The crowd had been chanting lesnars name all night, it wasn't a shock to anyone he was there that night If cena had have acted shocked it would have seemed so stupid as it wasnt a shock to anyone else apart from kids in the crowd who wouldnt even remember him.
posted on 6/4/12
Digby he didn't put them over, he didn't lose clean to any of them. I mean he might have lost clean to Sheamus but it looked more of an accident to me and even if it wasn't he lost the title like 2 weeks later so it didn't matter. The crowd chanted Y2J's name all night when he came back to face Orton who sold it well. For the record I had no idea Lesnar was coming back so it píssed me off even more seeing the muppet standing in the middle of the ring with a smirk on his face.
And don't get me started on his promos, standing in the middle of the ring shouting I will not quit and for those of you believe in me I will never turn against you BLAH BLAH BLAH just because he shouts it doesn't make it a good promo. The guy is a complete joke.
posted on 6/4/12
Impartial - You must be the only person who didn't know BL was coming back.
posted on 6/4/12
I woud agree with MonDieu but he's filtered me
Cena had already stopped twice to let the crowd chant lesnar, to then look surprised would have looked strange. I think everything he does will píss you off from the sounds of it whether its good or bad
posted on 6/4/12
Cena is often criticised for his move set, notably his spot which leads to the you can't see me - five knuckle shuffle.
But all wrestlers have spot routines. Orton has the double clothesline followed by a powerslam, followed by him dropping to the mat like a snake. Sure, its annoying because the opponents play the spot just as much as orton.
But if you watch cena, his moveset variety isn't that much different to anyone else.
The crowd like to chant 'you can't wrestle' which is ludicrous. Just because someone doesn't do armdrags, snapmares and pin reversals doesn't mean you can't wrestle.
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