United and City didn't make it past the group stages so european teams aren't as weak as you are suggesting.
A bit harsh on some of the smaller teams, but I agree the group stages drag a bit, can be quite boring until the knock out stages.
I can see why you think this and can understand your point, but us teams from the smaller leagues need this competition.
Getting beyond the group stages is the equivalent to us of winning the thing these days!
Teams like the Old Firm up here in Scotland are huge clubs, but we are dying because of the lack of revenue (combined with a crooked owner who looks like a frog). Getting to the group stages brings in about £15m to us!
It would be unfair to just say "we have decided, no matter how many leagues, you win, no matter how many accolades you get, you will never be allowed to play the likes of Barcelona ever again".
We've only got to the semis or further twice... ever. So we would play those teams more times if we did better in the competition.
i just thinks its a waste of talented players time and effort.
surely you want to test yourself against the best.
but I do understand small teams need revenue. may be
their should be another completion. and we could opt out of the CC easly fa cup rounds. where the big boys fight each other and we can see some real memorable games.
Well Real Madrid and Barca have to play rubbish teams in La Liga we might aswell not make them play the weaker teams in the league either.
I don't understand where you are coming from at all. How can the group stage be a drag when the two best teams in the 'best league in the world' can't even get out?
If its daft decision night then how about this?
How about all TV and sponsorship revenue is centralised in europe and distributed evenly to all Uefa member clubs.
Revenue generated from ticket sales would then become the biggest driver for the wealth of the clubs.
More often than not, the biggest clubs from the countries in Europe would win their league, gaining them entry into the Champions League.
Then the Champions League would then consist of the real biggest teams in Europe and there would be no boring games.
I want to see how well an in form RVP would do against real madrid. or man city against barcelona.
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You may just get your wish and he may be playing for someone else.
If you did away with the group stages then the you will find the 3rd and 4th placed teams of the PL wouldn't be playing in the CL.
Revenue generated from ticket sales would then become the biggest driver for the wealth of the clubs.
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Shirt and other product sales are wortha lot to clubs and I think (but not sure) far more than ticket sales for the likes of Man U. Thats why the teams do things like sign Asian players, play games/tours in Asia to get eh Aisian sales. To some degree the same goes for Africa.
The CL is already skewed inm favour of the big leagues, we get 4 teams in it every year when some leagues only get the winner and they only go into the qualifying stages.
Gooner,
Again though, shirt sales is a good measure of the size of a club. I would suggest it would be fair to allow them to keep this.
Being a fan of one of the big 2 up in Scotland, im obviously a little jealous of the money available to you guys down there.
Saying that, clubs like yourself its fair enough, you are big big outfits. Its when we see teams like Swansea (no disrespect, good team to watch) entering the EPL and then instantly having a revenue stream which dwarfs ours, even though we have a fan base which is 10 times larger!
Just seems a bit unfair, but then thats life!
Are you in favour of the Old Firm switching leagues then?
8bit,
You obviously aint been keeping up on Scottish Football!
We might be switching leagues right down to the scottish 3rd division!
Seriously though, if we could get into England I would be delighted.
The quality of football you guys have down there is on a different level to what we get here. If we could attract world class players again I would love it.
Really? You could be liquidated? I knew you had financial problems but not been following it closely. Crazy how such a big club can come to that.
Old Firm would add a lot more to the league than some teams do tbh, a few years of the TV money and you could become a force, just now sure how it would work/what league you would enter first etc.
Yea liquidation is looking possible if not likely.
Good thing about being a huge club in a small league is that they cant really afford to let us go down to the 3rd division, so they are going to invite us straight back into the SPL. If we were relegated, the TV deal with Sky would be scrapped and the clubs would suffer because we would not take our big travelling support to the smaller clubs 4 times a year.
if you can't get past the weaker teams then you are weak as well
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posted on 4/4/12
United and City didn't make it past the group stages so european teams aren't as weak as you are suggesting.
posted on 4/4/12
A bit harsh on some of the smaller teams, but I agree the group stages drag a bit, can be quite boring until the knock out stages.
posted on 4/4/12
I can see why you think this and can understand your point, but us teams from the smaller leagues need this competition.
Getting beyond the group stages is the equivalent to us of winning the thing these days!
Teams like the Old Firm up here in Scotland are huge clubs, but we are dying because of the lack of revenue (combined with a crooked owner who looks like a frog). Getting to the group stages brings in about £15m to us!
It would be unfair to just say "we have decided, no matter how many leagues, you win, no matter how many accolades you get, you will never be allowed to play the likes of Barcelona ever again".
posted on 4/4/12
We've only got to the semis or further twice... ever. So we would play those teams more times if we did better in the competition.
posted on 4/4/12
i just thinks its a waste of talented players time and effort.
surely you want to test yourself against the best.
but I do understand small teams need revenue. may be
their should be another completion. and we could opt out of the CC easly fa cup rounds. where the big boys fight each other and we can see some real memorable games.
posted on 4/4/12
Well Real Madrid and Barca have to play rubbish teams in La Liga we might aswell not make them play the weaker teams in the league either.
I don't understand where you are coming from at all. How can the group stage be a drag when the two best teams in the 'best league in the world' can't even get out?
posted on 4/4/12
If its daft decision night then how about this?
How about all TV and sponsorship revenue is centralised in europe and distributed evenly to all Uefa member clubs.
Revenue generated from ticket sales would then become the biggest driver for the wealth of the clubs.
More often than not, the biggest clubs from the countries in Europe would win their league, gaining them entry into the Champions League.
Then the Champions League would then consist of the real biggest teams in Europe and there would be no boring games.
posted on 4/4/12
I want to see how well an in form RVP would do against real madrid. or man city against barcelona.
============================
You may just get your wish and he may be playing for someone else.
If you did away with the group stages then the you will find the 3rd and 4th placed teams of the PL wouldn't be playing in the CL.
posted on 4/4/12
Revenue generated from ticket sales would then become the biggest driver for the wealth of the clubs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Shirt and other product sales are wortha lot to clubs and I think (but not sure) far more than ticket sales for the likes of Man U. Thats why the teams do things like sign Asian players, play games/tours in Asia to get eh Aisian sales. To some degree the same goes for Africa.
The CL is already skewed inm favour of the big leagues, we get 4 teams in it every year when some leagues only get the winner and they only go into the qualifying stages.
posted on 4/4/12
Gooner,
Again though, shirt sales is a good measure of the size of a club. I would suggest it would be fair to allow them to keep this.
Being a fan of one of the big 2 up in Scotland, im obviously a little jealous of the money available to you guys down there.
Saying that, clubs like yourself its fair enough, you are big big outfits. Its when we see teams like Swansea (no disrespect, good team to watch) entering the EPL and then instantly having a revenue stream which dwarfs ours, even though we have a fan base which is 10 times larger!
Just seems a bit unfair, but then thats life!
posted on 4/4/12
Are you in favour of the Old Firm switching leagues then?
posted on 4/4/12
8bit,
You obviously aint been keeping up on Scottish Football!
We might be switching leagues right down to the scottish 3rd division!
Seriously though, if we could get into England I would be delighted.
The quality of football you guys have down there is on a different level to what we get here. If we could attract world class players again I would love it.
posted on 4/4/12
Really? You could be liquidated? I knew you had financial problems but not been following it closely. Crazy how such a big club can come to that.
Old Firm would add a lot more to the league than some teams do tbh, a few years of the TV money and you could become a force, just now sure how it would work/what league you would enter first etc.
posted on 4/4/12
Yea liquidation is looking possible if not likely.
Good thing about being a huge club in a small league is that they cant really afford to let us go down to the 3rd division, so they are going to invite us straight back into the SPL. If we were relegated, the TV deal with Sky would be scrapped and the clubs would suffer because we would not take our big travelling support to the smaller clubs 4 times a year.
posted on 5/4/12
if you can't get past the weaker teams then you are weak as well
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