I honestly cannot believe that some people actually agree with Mr Davies!!
I guess they have no family or friends that have been lost to them so are unable to understand grief.
I don't agree with him, just don't see the big deal with what he said. Any anyway the style of his podcasts are just to go on crazy rants anyway, bit silly to take anything he says too seriously.
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I agree with you. I'm not a massive fan of his podcasts tbh, he just goes off on one for effect and he's not that funny most of the time. Seems like self promotion to me too, and probably to wind up some of your fans in the process. There'll be others on twitter and the like as well spouting nonsense, best to just ignore them.
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For those of you that don’t know the details of the tragedy then please, please go to http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/ and find out everything you can. I will not be able to even touch on the importance of the disaster or the justice campaign here so I’m not going to try.
But in the light of Alan Davies’s comments today I wanted to write something in response. The emotive nature of the subject matter means that we can often respond to any mention of Hillsborough with rants and abuse. That does nobody any favours.
Thanks to lies told by a certain rag in the aftermath of the disaster and perpetuated by government after government, it’s a sad fact that most people in this country do not know the truth behind Hillsborough. They look on Liverpool as a ‘woe is me’ city, living in a constant state of maudlin desperateness. Like Alan Davies they will acknowledge with one hand that Hillsborough was a terrible tragedy, but then suggest with the other that we all ‘move on’.
Alan Davies has stated in a despicably glib and dismissive manner what a lot of people in this country probably think. That there is no reason why Liverpool shouldn’t be made to play on April 15th – the anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster. United play on the anniversary of Munich. Rangers will still play matches when the yearly remembrance of Ibrox comes around. Why shouldn’t Liverpool do the same?
The answer can be summed up quite simply. Because we shouldn’t. Because we don’t want to. Because if United or Rangers or any other club felt that they didn’t want to play on the anniversary of a disaster important to their club, why should we make them?
Davies has, evidently, never been to the memorial service at Anfield on the anniversary of Hillsborough. There are some clear, glaring facts that he’s managed to ignore in order to make a stupid attempt at humour. I’ve been there. I’m sure many people reading this have too. It’s an incredibly emotional occasion. The feelings are still raw. The families who lost loved ones on that day have still, 23 years later, not had any justice for the lives lost. No-one has been held accountable. People like the odious Kelvin Mackenzie, who told base lies about Liverpool fans, are able to work for the BBC and make a living from the licence fee payer’s pockets, but mothers like Anne Williams still don’t know the truth of what happened to their children.
Kenny Dalglish, the current Liverpool manager, was also managing the club in 1989. He had the weight of the city on his shoulders in the aftermath of the disaster and he helped us all stand tall. At times he was attending several funerals on the same day, offering families any support he could. He was magnificent.
The events of April 15th 1989 still haunt him and they still haunt the city of Liverpool. Is Alan Davies seriously suggesting that, on the day that Dalglish remembers the tears of parents who lost children, children who lost families and a city that mourned as one he should also ‘get over it’ and manage a football match?
Liverpool quite rightly expects the playing squad to attend the Hillsborough memorial. To pay their respects and show the fans that we all stand together in the face of adversity. Should we abandon that because it would be ‘easier’ for Chelsea to play on the Saturday?
The anniversary of Hillsborough isn’t just a time when we take a moment and have a think. We gather together. We stand shoulder to shoulder and demand justice. The team, the management and the fans understand and respect that, when all’s said and done, football really is just a game. Nothing is more important than remembering those who lost their lives and shouting out for justice that’s taken far too long to come.
That United, Rangers or any other club decide to play on the anniversary of their own personal tragedy is up to them. But if they didn’t want to I’d understand. We should all understand.
Hillsborough is still very raw. Still very real. A lot of match going reds were lucky. They were at Hillsborough and were fortunate enough to make it home. Most fans were personally affected by what happened, knew someone that lost their life in the most horrendous of circumstances. They should never, ever have to think of anything other than their loss on that day. Kenny Dalglish shouldn’t be asked to think about formations and substitutions when he should just be allowed to reflect.
It’s time for the non-Liverpool supporting people in this country to stop making glib comments about something they know little to nothing about. If you insist on opening your mouth to say something about the Hillsborough disaster then the only thing you should say is JUSTICE FOR THE 96. You’ll Never Walk Alone.
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I feel bad now, i agreed with Alan Davies to an extent, but i felt that you should play the match in memory of those who died and as a tribute but what i didn't know is that there is an memorial service taken place on that day each year and now the comment which i wrote on my board seems pretty bad
Sagna and Gervinho's hairdresser (U10799)
Good man
One of the biggest problems we have is that the media keep most of the truth hidden. I posted that article to let people know what the fans that were personally affected feel.
I live in Manchester now for my sins and i listen to Utd fans giving it the large one about our fight for justice. When i educate them on the whole story they usually change their view.
All football fans should stand united in tragedy
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You'd expect someone in the public eye like davies to have a bit more sense than that, some things are fair game for wumming, every team puts up with it but somethings are a step too far, anyone remember a crawley town fan getting hauled up over his antics towards mufc and munich?
If you read more on that article it turns out that hillsborough, whilst it is the lowest point in the podcast, it is just one of many low points in davies diabtribe, as he skims from trough to trough, just when you think his ignorance and self-serving peurility can't get any lower, he manages it.
i've listened to the interview in full and what davies says is actually spot on.
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ole_1999 (U13262)
Pair of vvankers.
Apart from the blinding ignorance that I've read throughout this article by people for whom even death is something to WUM, the thing that really bothers me about this is us getting the blame for Chelsea not being able to play on the Saturday.
The semis should never ever be played at Wembley, I think most football fans agree on this, while it makes sense for the Chelsea Spurs game to be played in London, there is no sense in Liverpool and Everton going all the way down to London, the game should be played in Manchester.
The only reason both games are played at Wembley and on different days is money, if the semis were played at a neutral ground that wasn't Wembley this problem could be easily solved by allowing both teams to play on Saturday but that would detract revenue from the FA so it's never going to happen.
Anything else is covered superbly in T-Bone's post
JFT96
Did anyone just hear the debate between the editors of Chelsea's fanzine and Liverpool's on 5 live?
The Chelsea lad started off by spouting that 'we should never forget, but get over it'. When he was asked (by the Liverpool editor) whether there's a right or wrong way to grieve he didn't have an answer. The Chelsea editor did say that he sympathises with what we've been through, and Chelsea fans go to the Hillsborough memorial, on Annie road. But what he said following that really highlighted other fans attitudes towards this.
He said that we are only playing on the Saturday because of Liverpool moaning.
Really when? I don't recall this happening. As far as I know the club respectfully asks that we don't play on the 15th of April. I don't remember anyone from the club, both staff and fans, moaning about it.
As the editor of the Liverpool fanzine said 'here we go with the stereotypes'.
It really sickens me that people can think we 'moan' whilst calling for justice for those that died. Or that we are trying to inconvenience others by asking not to play on the anniversary. We do it for one reason and one reason only. We do it to remember the dead and reflect on how lucky we are to be able to go to a football match and come back alive.
JFT96
instead of sitting their with a chip on your shoulder waiting to be offended, take the time to actually listen to davies' comments. i respect your fight for justice and understand the need for the service, but does it really have to be on the exact date? would holding it a day either side really make a difference?
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ole_1999 (U13262)
I've listened to Davies' comments.
Yes it does have to be on the exact date. It's only occasional that the anniversary falls on the weekend, when matches are more than likely being played. This is only an issue once every few years. The irony is that issue has only been taken, as far as I'm aware, by Davies (an Arsenal fan), the editor of Chelsea's fanzine on 5 live, and by an Arsenal fan and a United fan on here. If there is such outrage why aren't there more comments and articles from the fans of the club affected, Chelsea?
How is it us having a chip on our shoulder? We didn't raise the issue, and haven't moaned about it. All we did was request we don't play on that particular day, as has been the case for 22 years.
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nobody is trying to deny you a day of remembering the tragedy, far from it. united have however managed to play on the anniversary of munich whilst at the same time still paying respects to those who died, why can liverpool not do the same? or why not hold the service the day before and play on the sunday?
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I honestly cannot believe that some people actually agree with Mr Davies!!
I guess they have no family or friends that have been lost to them so are unable to understand grief.
posted on 9/4/12
I don't agree with him, just don't see the big deal with what he said. Any anyway the style of his podcasts are just to go on crazy rants anyway, bit silly to take anything he says too seriously.
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I agree with you. I'm not a massive fan of his podcasts tbh, he just goes off on one for effect and he's not that funny most of the time. Seems like self promotion to me too, and probably to wind up some of your fans in the process. There'll be others on twitter and the like as well spouting nonsense, best to just ignore them.
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For those of you that don’t know the details of the tragedy then please, please go to http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/ and find out everything you can. I will not be able to even touch on the importance of the disaster or the justice campaign here so I’m not going to try.
But in the light of Alan Davies’s comments today I wanted to write something in response. The emotive nature of the subject matter means that we can often respond to any mention of Hillsborough with rants and abuse. That does nobody any favours.
Thanks to lies told by a certain rag in the aftermath of the disaster and perpetuated by government after government, it’s a sad fact that most people in this country do not know the truth behind Hillsborough. They look on Liverpool as a ‘woe is me’ city, living in a constant state of maudlin desperateness. Like Alan Davies they will acknowledge with one hand that Hillsborough was a terrible tragedy, but then suggest with the other that we all ‘move on’.
Alan Davies has stated in a despicably glib and dismissive manner what a lot of people in this country probably think. That there is no reason why Liverpool shouldn’t be made to play on April 15th – the anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster. United play on the anniversary of Munich. Rangers will still play matches when the yearly remembrance of Ibrox comes around. Why shouldn’t Liverpool do the same?
The answer can be summed up quite simply. Because we shouldn’t. Because we don’t want to. Because if United or Rangers or any other club felt that they didn’t want to play on the anniversary of a disaster important to their club, why should we make them?
Davies has, evidently, never been to the memorial service at Anfield on the anniversary of Hillsborough. There are some clear, glaring facts that he’s managed to ignore in order to make a stupid attempt at humour. I’ve been there. I’m sure many people reading this have too. It’s an incredibly emotional occasion. The feelings are still raw. The families who lost loved ones on that day have still, 23 years later, not had any justice for the lives lost. No-one has been held accountable. People like the odious Kelvin Mackenzie, who told base lies about Liverpool fans, are able to work for the BBC and make a living from the licence fee payer’s pockets, but mothers like Anne Williams still don’t know the truth of what happened to their children.
Kenny Dalglish, the current Liverpool manager, was also managing the club in 1989. He had the weight of the city on his shoulders in the aftermath of the disaster and he helped us all stand tall. At times he was attending several funerals on the same day, offering families any support he could. He was magnificent.
The events of April 15th 1989 still haunt him and they still haunt the city of Liverpool. Is Alan Davies seriously suggesting that, on the day that Dalglish remembers the tears of parents who lost children, children who lost families and a city that mourned as one he should also ‘get over it’ and manage a football match?
Liverpool quite rightly expects the playing squad to attend the Hillsborough memorial. To pay their respects and show the fans that we all stand together in the face of adversity. Should we abandon that because it would be ‘easier’ for Chelsea to play on the Saturday?
The anniversary of Hillsborough isn’t just a time when we take a moment and have a think. We gather together. We stand shoulder to shoulder and demand justice. The team, the management and the fans understand and respect that, when all’s said and done, football really is just a game. Nothing is more important than remembering those who lost their lives and shouting out for justice that’s taken far too long to come.
That United, Rangers or any other club decide to play on the anniversary of their own personal tragedy is up to them. But if they didn’t want to I’d understand. We should all understand.
Hillsborough is still very raw. Still very real. A lot of match going reds were lucky. They were at Hillsborough and were fortunate enough to make it home. Most fans were personally affected by what happened, knew someone that lost their life in the most horrendous of circumstances. They should never, ever have to think of anything other than their loss on that day. Kenny Dalglish shouldn’t be asked to think about formations and substitutions when he should just be allowed to reflect.
It’s time for the non-Liverpool supporting people in this country to stop making glib comments about something they know little to nothing about. If you insist on opening your mouth to say something about the Hillsborough disaster then the only thing you should say is JUSTICE FOR THE 96. You’ll Never Walk Alone.
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I feel bad now, i agreed with Alan Davies to an extent, but i felt that you should play the match in memory of those who died and as a tribute but what i didn't know is that there is an memorial service taken place on that day each year and now the comment which i wrote on my board seems pretty bad
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Sagna and Gervinho's hairdresser (U10799)
Good man
One of the biggest problems we have is that the media keep most of the truth hidden. I posted that article to let people know what the fans that were personally affected feel.
I live in Manchester now for my sins and i listen to Utd fans giving it the large one about our fight for justice. When i educate them on the whole story they usually change their view.
All football fans should stand united in tragedy
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You'd expect someone in the public eye like davies to have a bit more sense than that, some things are fair game for wumming, every team puts up with it but somethings are a step too far, anyone remember a crawley town fan getting hauled up over his antics towards mufc and munich?
If you read more on that article it turns out that hillsborough, whilst it is the lowest point in the podcast, it is just one of many low points in davies diabtribe, as he skims from trough to trough, just when you think his ignorance and self-serving peurility can't get any lower, he manages it.
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i've listened to the interview in full and what davies says is actually spot on.
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ole_1999 (U13262)
Pair of vvankers.
posted on 10/4/12
Apart from the blinding ignorance that I've read throughout this article by people for whom even death is something to WUM, the thing that really bothers me about this is us getting the blame for Chelsea not being able to play on the Saturday.
The semis should never ever be played at Wembley, I think most football fans agree on this, while it makes sense for the Chelsea Spurs game to be played in London, there is no sense in Liverpool and Everton going all the way down to London, the game should be played in Manchester.
The only reason both games are played at Wembley and on different days is money, if the semis were played at a neutral ground that wasn't Wembley this problem could be easily solved by allowing both teams to play on Saturday but that would detract revenue from the FA so it's never going to happen.
Anything else is covered superbly in T-Bone's post
JFT96
posted on 10/4/12
Did anyone just hear the debate between the editors of Chelsea's fanzine and Liverpool's on 5 live?
The Chelsea lad started off by spouting that 'we should never forget, but get over it'. When he was asked (by the Liverpool editor) whether there's a right or wrong way to grieve he didn't have an answer. The Chelsea editor did say that he sympathises with what we've been through, and Chelsea fans go to the Hillsborough memorial, on Annie road. But what he said following that really highlighted other fans attitudes towards this.
He said that we are only playing on the Saturday because of Liverpool moaning.
Really when? I don't recall this happening. As far as I know the club respectfully asks that we don't play on the 15th of April. I don't remember anyone from the club, both staff and fans, moaning about it.
As the editor of the Liverpool fanzine said 'here we go with the stereotypes'.
It really sickens me that people can think we 'moan' whilst calling for justice for those that died. Or that we are trying to inconvenience others by asking not to play on the anniversary. We do it for one reason and one reason only. We do it to remember the dead and reflect on how lucky we are to be able to go to a football match and come back alive.
JFT96
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instead of sitting their with a chip on your shoulder waiting to be offended, take the time to actually listen to davies' comments. i respect your fight for justice and understand the need for the service, but does it really have to be on the exact date? would holding it a day either side really make a difference?
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ole_1999 (U13262)
I've listened to Davies' comments.
Yes it does have to be on the exact date. It's only occasional that the anniversary falls on the weekend, when matches are more than likely being played. This is only an issue once every few years. The irony is that issue has only been taken, as far as I'm aware, by Davies (an Arsenal fan), the editor of Chelsea's fanzine on 5 live, and by an Arsenal fan and a United fan on here. If there is such outrage why aren't there more comments and articles from the fans of the club affected, Chelsea?
How is it us having a chip on our shoulder? We didn't raise the issue, and haven't moaned about it. All we did was request we don't play on that particular day, as has been the case for 22 years.
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nobody is trying to deny you a day of remembering the tragedy, far from it. united have however managed to play on the anniversary of munich whilst at the same time still paying respects to those who died, why can liverpool not do the same? or why not hold the service the day before and play on the sunday?
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