Everyone is being very harsh on Murray. In the last 5 slams he has been in 2 finals and made the semis of the others. None of the top 3 have done that. Let's face it, if he'd been playing in Henmans era he would have won a slam by now. He's just got 3 exceptional players ahead of him.

He does have to sort his head out though. I've not seen a mental collapse that bad since Novotna against Graf...

nothing personal against Murray, but I don't think he should be included in the 'big four' until he wins a grand slam

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Agree with you. It's like when one said the big 4 in relation to the PL title with United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, but really there were only 2 realistic winners.

The truth is Murray is closer to those below him than he is to those above.

Not denying it Dunc but, as I said, his record over the last year is very good so give him SOME credit for that! If (and it's a bid if) he can sort out his head he will be as good as the others.
Even if he doesn't, he'll still be the best Brit in the last 50 years and the best Scot ever.

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I've always said Murray's proiblem is his focus, or more accurately his ability to lose it when most needed.

You can get away with that against lesser players but not against the top 3.

Murray needs to change his approach the same way Djokovic did.

Current GS winners won their first slam aged 21 or under, Murray needs to really work on this or get very lucky, to win a slam I think.

Yeah, we ONLY have the fourth best player in the world (sometimes 5th, perhaps he needs to retire when this happens as its seems to be a discrace). The people from Serbia, Spain, Switzerland and GB must be suicidal!!

Please remember it has nothing to do with Murray whether its the big 3,4 or 500 its the press/media.

It's quite obvious what Murray needs to do to win a GS. He needs to kill or at least seriously injure Nadal, Djokovich and Federer....and do it without anyone knowing about it.

Sorry this should read people not from Serbia, Spain, Swizerland and GB must be suicidal!! as they can't even get a player 4th in the world.

Well FOURTHREE it is a disgrace when he's the only British player in the top 100, and we as a largely populated country hold one of these major events and haven't won or looked like winning for decades.

I will give SOME hope to Andy Murray fans. Here are the oldest Grand slam winners (who only won one Slam)

Gaston Gaudio French Open age 26
Albert Costa French Open age 27
Thomas Johansson Australian Open age 27
Goran Ivanisivic Wimbledon age 29
Anres Gomez French Open age 30
Petr Korda Australian Open age 30

Exiled, I was talking about currently on tour, the game has changed since even Gaudio's time.

Murray undoubtedly has the technical ability, if he can add the focus or get lucky, he can win a Slam and maybe more, but time/current stats are not on his side.

What i`m saying is it`s not too late to win a Slam.

Spurtle, I agree with you on it being a disgrace on having only 1 player in the top 100 with Ward being next on 187. I think you go a bit when you say we haven't looked like winning one of the major events (GS) for decades as Murray has got to 3 finals.

Exiled, I don't think it is either and what I am saying is that without changes and/or some luck, Murray's time is running out.

FOURTHREE and he never took 1 set in all 3 finals. I don't believe that Murray will win a GS while there are far superior players around so the wait will go on after he retires.

Murray's best chance of winning a slam is on the hard court any way, his final appearances have all been on hard courts, I'd say the US and the Australian, his next two majors, they are key to him ever winning a slam.

Murray is really in his own class in tennis at the moment, like someone compared in football, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool, Murray is definitely Liverpool as he can get to the semis or finals of the big tournament, but never beat the men who matter.

I love reading anti Murray comments, they really make me laugh. No matter what anyone tells me, English people who are against him, its mainly because he is Scottish. Used to be the same way round with Henman, but not to the same extent as Henman was not half as good as Murray

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Grass isn't his favourite surface...

I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to say 100% that Murray will never win a GS. It's one thing mouthing off on the internet, but you all know you wouldn't bet anything on it.

His GS record is impressive, impressive enough to warrant no.4. The debate over the merits of 'big 4' has been lost in yet another Murray bashing competition.

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Nah - there's the big three - then a considerable gap to the likes of Murray, Del Potro, Soderling, Tsonga (when his head is crewed on) and then another gap to the rest....
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I'd agree with that. Del Potro can crack the top 3 because he has the same mental strength as them. Just a question as to whether he can physically get himself sorted again.

Murray's problem is mental. We all saw that on Friday. He cruised the 1st set. If Node/Nadal/Fed had won that 1st set in that fashion it would have been the opponent falling apart, but instead Murray and his wobbly 1st server went awol.