There is a tiny bit of hope left in me but I'd rather it was just over now.
I'm torn between buying a season ticket for next year, I love Rovers but I really hate what has happened to the club and don't want to give the owners my money.
The home draw against United last season, 3 points would have kept us up and scuppered United's chances of a title. United played for a point and we didn't put in a tackle.
Then we go away to Wolves, go 3-0 up and then stop playing. Only Sam's points and the ineptitude of others kept us up last year. Despite some god awful teams this year our points total is abysmal!
I would have sacked Kean after Wigan away season 2010 / 2011. Ryan Nelsen went charging up the left wing after 2 minutes and took on their right back, winning us a throw. 2 minutes! This was at the time of our conversion to total football. We went 4-1 down, hardly suprising with our players all over the place, before recovering to 4-3 against the bottom of the league at that time. I wanted him gone then.
In response to the question, for me there has not been one moment or game that convinced me we would go down. Pointers along the way have been key all season, Wolves at home, Salgado being isolated, Nelsen and Samba leaving, shocking results against lower teams, no clean sheets and conceeding more than 2 every game, 3-1 up at Norwich to draw, Bolton away, invisible players too expensive to play, West Brom away, especially Swansea in a must win game....with ZERO effort applied.
Death by a thousand cuts is more apt. Losing my love of the club under these owners and Kean very quickly.
However, we do still have a chance as no prizes have been given out as yet. But realistically, the margins are small now and we are 1/4 ON at the bookies to be relegated. Raging favourites to go down!
Disgusted and shocked that 20 years development at our club can be destroyed in 12 short months. Looking forward to the fans uniting at last and telling it how it is.
Kean out. Venky's out. Agnew out.
In a way I agree with Pie. The second half of last season was so god awful that I knew before the season started that with the ownership and management of the club this season would take a miracle for us to stay up.
Then the season started, saw there were some terrible teams, which seemed like the miracle, and we could not even take advantage of that. I still am holding out a shred of hope, which is probably completely in vain, especially with the effort shown by the players and ownership and the completely tactical inability of Kean. I think the Liverpool game truly made me realise that this was our season to go, a team with no form, 10 men for 60 minutes and we had 2 penalties and we still lost. I knew we were terrible before that, but that game made me realise we deserved to go and I think we will. Swansea just cemented those feelings.
We don't deserve the title of a Premiership club in comparison to others for our performances this season and the table shows that. Sad but true.
For me it was Stoke (or was it WBA) at home just after we had beaten Utd.
If we cannot put a litlle run together after winning at OT when can you?
Our inability (for whatever reason) to keep at least half a dozen clean sheets has done for us I'm afraid.
The Liverpool game was the icing on the cake.
It was Stoke we lost to after United, we had just lost to Bolton and West Brom before that though.
Cheers Rob- all three were dire performances but in all fairness there is plenty of competition for most dire performance of the season- bit like betting on the Grand National!
Afternoon gents, not been posting as much due to moving house/new job, although all that has coincided with our dramatic down turn in form.
The form and results of Wigan and QPR have really put us in the brown stuff, and we've done our level best to keep ourselves down there.
For all the bad moments and what ifs this season, having played so well at against Wolves and Sunderland only to turn up and roll over at Bolton is what has ultimately cost us. Bolton are shockingly poor, we should have gone their high in confidence and walked over them taking us well clear of danger.
Couldn't really complain about the performance against Man Utd, and WBA are a good side and 3-0 was harsh.
Carroll's goal could be the goal that has fractured any remaining confidence the team had, after that I'd accepted we were down.
I'm going to make the effort to see our last few games of the season, will be at Spurs, Wigan and Chelsea, OOJW I'll come say hello if you are there.
Yeah I will be there Maccy. Row 31 seat 29 and 30, LT BE. Tall good looking guy with loads of girls hanging around....
You can talk me through the complexities of our squad improvements and Kean's lasting successes!!
I think 'played so well' is pushing it when you consider how bad Wolves are...
I will be the one with the embarrassing mcteeth senior, who will no doubt be wearing a stupid hat
Row 29 Seats 5 and 6.
Depressing stuff really
"Depressing stuff really"
Has been all season for some of us, with reality hitting home for others recently.
Are we staying up Maccy? If you say no, then we are gonners for sure.
Liverpool game for me was the pits !Playing a reserve team with a third choice keeper two penalty,s.Last minute winner for the Pool was just awful!
Are we staying up Maccy? If you say no, then we are gonners for sure.
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No, given our form and injuries, it would need Wigan, QPR and Bolton to effectively not win another match and us scrape together 4-6 points, not going to happen.
Another win for Wigan and QPR and we will be down far sooner than Chelsea away.
"No, given our form and injuries, it would need Wigan, QPR and Bolton to effectively not win another match and us scrape together 4-6 points, not going to happen.
Another win for Wigan and QPR and we will be down far sooner than Chelsea away."
We have argued the toss all season, back and forth and here we are now MaccyT.
No time for I told you so's. Always admired you McT for your Optimism and Measured opinion, even If I didn't always agree. Polarising points often push each other away from sublime to ridiculous, at least there's always been reasoned debate... unlike some others
"No time for I told you so's. Always admired you McT for your Optimism and Measured opinion, even If I didn't always agree. Polarising points often push each other away from sublime to ridiculous, at least there's always been reasoned debate... unlike some others"
No told you so's from me. Maccy and I have had many a discussion and for the most kept it very civil and he knows I respect his views, even if not always agreeing.
There is just far to much to even comprehend and so many ifs and buts in my eyes.
The only saving grace in all of this is that we aren't doing a Leeds or Pompey financially, if anything Venky's have done their level best to save money and reduces costs, hopefully leave whoever is in changes on the touchline and upstairs with a decent chances of getting us promoted.
On a lighter note, I've got an absolute glut of away days in and around London if we are in the Championship
Mr Mac if that clown Kean is still in charge next season it could be division 1 for us ,well we are not down yet,Kean has won 12 games from 62 in charge not a very good tally!
TOLD YOU SO! NA NA NA NA NAAAAAA!
The point of us not being Leeds/Pompey is valid though their behaviour is still concerning. By reducing the wage bill we have reduced quality, ifthis continues we will continue to drop. If Venkys can ensure turnover remains level with income then they can profit from player sales and parachute payments.
As Oojw has said previously, death by 1,000 paper cuts...
There in lies the pudding Sir Pie, we've quite heavily reduced costs and wages and looked to promote from the academy and sign young 'potential' and develop players ourselves.
On paper this is excellent and really how middle to lower football clubs need to operate, just look at how well Swansea are doing it.
The simple fact is that on the pitch it has completely backfired, but if we are to be relegated we are in a financially sound position to deal with it.
I'd be terrified if we had average old hacks on massive wages like Pompey, QPR, West Ham and Leeds etc have/did.
Or just NOT get relegated.
Swansea is fine but took an age, Martinez before Rogers, from manager to scouts to tea lady. Building bottom to top is much easier than top to bottom as Chelsea have proved.
I'm aware we won't go out of business but nor will we compete. It didn't need to happen like this and those that said it was idiocy were fired, Allardyce, Williams, Finn etc.
Twenty years hard work literally torn up on 12 months!
Twenty years hard work literally torn up on 12 months!
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or or ? I just don't know! I think it is a little of all 3
Nah no chance of staying up for me the game that i though that could send us down was Bolton away it was the start of half hearted performances the Liverpool game confirmed it for me
Wigan 2-0 up against Arsenal in less than 10 minutes, that in itself shows the difference between us and other teams that could drop...
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posted on 16/4/12
There is a tiny bit of hope left in me but I'd rather it was just over now.
I'm torn between buying a season ticket for next year, I love Rovers but I really hate what has happened to the club and don't want to give the owners my money.
posted on 16/4/12
The home draw against United last season, 3 points would have kept us up and scuppered United's chances of a title. United played for a point and we didn't put in a tackle.
Then we go away to Wolves, go 3-0 up and then stop playing. Only Sam's points and the ineptitude of others kept us up last year. Despite some god awful teams this year our points total is abysmal!
posted on 16/4/12
I would have sacked Kean after Wigan away season 2010 / 2011. Ryan Nelsen went charging up the left wing after 2 minutes and took on their right back, winning us a throw. 2 minutes! This was at the time of our conversion to total football. We went 4-1 down, hardly suprising with our players all over the place, before recovering to 4-3 against the bottom of the league at that time. I wanted him gone then.
In response to the question, for me there has not been one moment or game that convinced me we would go down. Pointers along the way have been key all season, Wolves at home, Salgado being isolated, Nelsen and Samba leaving, shocking results against lower teams, no clean sheets and conceeding more than 2 every game, 3-1 up at Norwich to draw, Bolton away, invisible players too expensive to play, West Brom away, especially Swansea in a must win game....with ZERO effort applied.
Death by a thousand cuts is more apt. Losing my love of the club under these owners and Kean very quickly.
However, we do still have a chance as no prizes have been given out as yet. But realistically, the margins are small now and we are 1/4 ON at the bookies to be relegated. Raging favourites to go down!
Disgusted and shocked that 20 years development at our club can be destroyed in 12 short months. Looking forward to the fans uniting at last and telling it how it is.
Kean out. Venky's out. Agnew out.
posted on 16/4/12
In a way I agree with Pie. The second half of last season was so god awful that I knew before the season started that with the ownership and management of the club this season would take a miracle for us to stay up.
Then the season started, saw there were some terrible teams, which seemed like the miracle, and we could not even take advantage of that. I still am holding out a shred of hope, which is probably completely in vain, especially with the effort shown by the players and ownership and the completely tactical inability of Kean. I think the Liverpool game truly made me realise that this was our season to go, a team with no form, 10 men for 60 minutes and we had 2 penalties and we still lost. I knew we were terrible before that, but that game made me realise we deserved to go and I think we will. Swansea just cemented those feelings.
We don't deserve the title of a Premiership club in comparison to others for our performances this season and the table shows that. Sad but true.
posted on 16/4/12
For me it was Stoke (or was it WBA) at home just after we had beaten Utd.
If we cannot put a litlle run together after winning at OT when can you?
Our inability (for whatever reason) to keep at least half a dozen clean sheets has done for us I'm afraid.
The Liverpool game was the icing on the cake.
posted on 16/4/12
It was Stoke we lost to after United, we had just lost to Bolton and West Brom before that though.
posted on 16/4/12
Cheers Rob- all three were dire performances but in all fairness there is plenty of competition for most dire performance of the season- bit like betting on the Grand National!
posted on 16/4/12
Afternoon gents, not been posting as much due to moving house/new job, although all that has coincided with our dramatic down turn in form.
The form and results of Wigan and QPR have really put us in the brown stuff, and we've done our level best to keep ourselves down there.
For all the bad moments and what ifs this season, having played so well at against Wolves and Sunderland only to turn up and roll over at Bolton is what has ultimately cost us. Bolton are shockingly poor, we should have gone their high in confidence and walked over them taking us well clear of danger.
Couldn't really complain about the performance against Man Utd, and WBA are a good side and 3-0 was harsh.
Carroll's goal could be the goal that has fractured any remaining confidence the team had, after that I'd accepted we were down.
I'm going to make the effort to see our last few games of the season, will be at Spurs, Wigan and Chelsea, OOJW I'll come say hello if you are there.
posted on 16/4/12
Yeah I will be there Maccy. Row 31 seat 29 and 30, LT BE. Tall good looking guy with loads of girls hanging around....
You can talk me through the complexities of our squad improvements and Kean's lasting successes!!
posted on 16/4/12
I think 'played so well' is pushing it when you consider how bad Wolves are...
posted on 16/4/12
I will be the one with the embarrassing mcteeth senior, who will no doubt be wearing a stupid hat
Row 29 Seats 5 and 6.
Depressing stuff really
posted on 16/4/12
"Depressing stuff really"
Has been all season for some of us, with reality hitting home for others recently.
Are we staying up Maccy? If you say no, then we are gonners for sure.
posted on 16/4/12
Liverpool game for me was the pits !Playing a reserve team with a third choice keeper two penalty,s.Last minute winner for the Pool was just awful!
posted on 16/4/12
Are we staying up Maccy? If you say no, then we are gonners for sure.
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No, given our form and injuries, it would need Wigan, QPR and Bolton to effectively not win another match and us scrape together 4-6 points, not going to happen.
Another win for Wigan and QPR and we will be down far sooner than Chelsea away.
posted on 16/4/12
"No, given our form and injuries, it would need Wigan, QPR and Bolton to effectively not win another match and us scrape together 4-6 points, not going to happen.
Another win for Wigan and QPR and we will be down far sooner than Chelsea away."
We have argued the toss all season, back and forth and here we are now MaccyT.
posted on 16/4/12
No time for I told you so's. Always admired you McT for your Optimism and Measured opinion, even If I didn't always agree. Polarising points often push each other away from sublime to ridiculous, at least there's always been reasoned debate... unlike some others
posted on 16/4/12
"No time for I told you so's. Always admired you McT for your Optimism and Measured opinion, even If I didn't always agree. Polarising points often push each other away from sublime to ridiculous, at least there's always been reasoned debate... unlike some others"
No told you so's from me. Maccy and I have had many a discussion and for the most kept it very civil and he knows I respect his views, even if not always agreeing.
posted on 16/4/12
There is just far to much to even comprehend and so many ifs and buts in my eyes.
The only saving grace in all of this is that we aren't doing a Leeds or Pompey financially, if anything Venky's have done their level best to save money and reduces costs, hopefully leave whoever is in changes on the touchline and upstairs with a decent chances of getting us promoted.
On a lighter note, I've got an absolute glut of away days in and around London if we are in the Championship
posted on 16/4/12
Mr Mac if that clown Kean is still in charge next season it could be division 1 for us ,well we are not down yet,Kean has won 12 games from 62 in charge not a very good tally!
posted on 16/4/12
TOLD YOU SO! NA NA NA NA NAAAAAA!
The point of us not being Leeds/Pompey is valid though their behaviour is still concerning. By reducing the wage bill we have reduced quality, ifthis continues we will continue to drop. If Venkys can ensure turnover remains level with income then they can profit from player sales and parachute payments.
As Oojw has said previously, death by 1,000 paper cuts...
posted on 16/4/12
There in lies the pudding Sir Pie, we've quite heavily reduced costs and wages and looked to promote from the academy and sign young 'potential' and develop players ourselves.
On paper this is excellent and really how middle to lower football clubs need to operate, just look at how well Swansea are doing it.
The simple fact is that on the pitch it has completely backfired, but if we are to be relegated we are in a financially sound position to deal with it.
I'd be terrified if we had average old hacks on massive wages like Pompey, QPR, West Ham and Leeds etc have/did.
posted on 16/4/12
Or just NOT get relegated.
Swansea is fine but took an age, Martinez before Rogers, from manager to scouts to tea lady. Building bottom to top is much easier than top to bottom as Chelsea have proved.
I'm aware we won't go out of business but nor will we compete. It didn't need to happen like this and those that said it was idiocy were fired, Allardyce, Williams, Finn etc.
Twenty years hard work literally torn up on 12 months!
posted on 16/4/12
Twenty years hard work literally torn up on 12 months!
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or or ? I just don't know! I think it is a little of all 3
posted on 16/4/12
Nah no chance of staying up for me the game that i though that could send us down was Bolton away it was the start of half hearted performances the Liverpool game confirmed it for me
posted on 16/4/12
Wigan 2-0 up against Arsenal in less than 10 minutes, that in itself shows the difference between us and other teams that could drop...
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