5 or 6 at £1million would have a detrimental effect on wages I suspect. Nice idea but past history suggests £5m in and £500k out on players.
Im afraid £1 million pounds wont buy you a decent player, to get a decent player we would have to start at £2 to £3 million pounds
A decent player 2-3 mill?? I dread to think how u would price a quality one. Taraabt,holt,lambert cost peanuts!!
With a good scouting network we can clean up the lower leagues...alas we are expiry experts.
With a good scouting network we can clean up the lower leagues
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Unfortunately we have Gwyn Williams.
If we get offered £5m for Snodgrass the club will sell him.
If that occurred I would hope the manager would out five or six of the other players (Parker and Varyryen have already gone) and by doing so be able to bring in three or four quality players and pay some better contracts all round.
Time will tell eh...?
Maybe 5-6 players who would not attract a fee but would demand higher wages. Break whatever ceiling there was on wages, have a tighter squad with 5-6 higher earners than we're used to. As Eric says, time will tell.
you hit the nail on the head jonny,many nuggets on here think only about transfer fees,£5 million for snoddy does not mean you can buy 5 players at £1million each,what about the wages? snoddy on £10k a week - £500,000 a year while 5 new players at £500,000 - £2.5 million but never mind, we can just put our heads back in the sand
According to everywhere I've read Bates has said no less than £8m and any get out clause if we don't go up will be for offers of £8m and up.
£8 million? i like snoddy but hes not worth anywhere near that,i assume its just bates trying to talk up the price,no chance he will be here next year if a decent offer comes in £3 million + is all we would get with 1 year left on his contract
rhubarb - your comment is very sensible and well thought out,so why have you posted it on here? nobody on here wants sensible comment,if you wrote 'pay snoddy £10million a year to keep him' you would get loads of 5stars from the bates out numptys
Joe- It's a shame Batesy doesn't think that way when offers come in for our top players. That is why it is virtually impossible to replace the likes of Gradel and Howson, especially given the low fees.
skb
but remember gradel and howson cost nothing but both commanded a fee,same as a few hundred grand for snoddy turned into 3million fee is good business but bates cant make him stay,he will want to play in the prem and double his wages,he'd be stupid if he didnt
but as you said,difficult to replace them
Sir Kenneth Bates
I think it similarly a shame when players the club have plucked from obscurity and paid handsomely show no loyalty to the club and demand a transfer to play in the PL at the earliest opportunity, or who bottle it and depart for a Championship club purely for money or decide to go overseas to some Bistro Club because they are homesick.
Gradel did cost a small fee from Leicester and they got a slice out of the sale in August. I agree it's good business, but it's no consolation if you're the manager.
you can bet if vayrynen was on 10k a week then forssel must be on the same,thats a million down the drain for a start + o'dea?
joe, remember forssell is a goal machine, probably on even more!
Whoever decides what to pay players must base it on history/experience rather than the present. A bit like what happens with players under contract at the club like Beckford and Johnson.
The first option, since the second option is a fantasy. If we sell Snodgrass, we'll still fulfill our transfers with loans and freebies and bargain bucket players because bates simply will not pay players money. He's set in his ways that "the bubble has burst, you're asking for more than you're worth" and as such will refuse to pay players the wages they can demand. Supply and demand, the backbone of capitalism and a so called businessman has forgotten, ignored or overlooked that.
it's a nice dream to say player's should show loyalty to the club that brought them through, but lets be honest... in the real world, snoddy's talents would have been noticed by some club, he'd be the star player there and top teams would take an interest. We haven't created this player and therefore he owes us. He may have improved whilst at the club but he'd have improved anywhere... its hardly like our coaching has been award winning. If we managed his contract well we'd make a tidy profit on it, and its the clubs fault (or gamble on making the premier league before his contract runs down, depending on how you see it) if we don't.
If he turned down a premier club. he'd be mad, he could get injured next season, take a dip in form etc.
Let's say he stays and has a career ending injury next year, ok he'll pick up an insurance payout, and get plenty of hard luck stories. The club won't be offering him a £20k a week contract as an ambassador out of sympathy though will they. They'll look after leeds united, and he should look after robert snodgrass.
I rate him highly and would love him to stay at Leeds, but if he has a chance to play in the premiership he should take it. It might not come again.
I wouldn't blame him in the slightest for leaving. But I will blame the club, he's called for ambition and they are likely to twist it into "he thought he was bigger than the club", selling him and making a nice profit that will not get spent on players. Well, some of it will but half of it will vanish into thin air as usual.
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posted on 18/4/12
5 or 6 at £1million would have a detrimental effect on wages I suspect. Nice idea but past history suggests £5m in and £500k out on players.
posted on 18/4/12
Im afraid £1 million pounds wont buy you a decent player, to get a decent player we would have to start at £2 to £3 million pounds
posted on 18/4/12
A decent player 2-3 mill?? I dread to think how u would price a quality one. Taraabt,holt,lambert cost peanuts!!
With a good scouting network we can clean up the lower leagues...alas we are expiry experts.
posted on 18/4/12
With a good scouting network we can clean up the lower leagues
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Unfortunately we have Gwyn Williams.
posted on 18/4/12
If we get offered £5m for Snodgrass the club will sell him.
If that occurred I would hope the manager would out five or six of the other players (Parker and Varyryen have already gone) and by doing so be able to bring in three or four quality players and pay some better contracts all round.
Time will tell eh...?
posted on 18/4/12
Maybe 5-6 players who would not attract a fee but would demand higher wages. Break whatever ceiling there was on wages, have a tighter squad with 5-6 higher earners than we're used to. As Eric says, time will tell.
posted on 18/4/12
you hit the nail on the head jonny,many nuggets on here think only about transfer fees,£5 million for snoddy does not mean you can buy 5 players at £1million each,what about the wages? snoddy on £10k a week - £500,000 a year while 5 new players at £500,000 - £2.5 million but never mind, we can just put our heads back in the sand
posted on 18/4/12
According to everywhere I've read Bates has said no less than £8m and any get out clause if we don't go up will be for offers of £8m and up.
posted on 18/4/12
£8 million? i like snoddy but hes not worth anywhere near that,i assume its just bates trying to talk up the price,no chance he will be here next year if a decent offer comes in £3 million + is all we would get with 1 year left on his contract
posted on 18/4/12
rhubarb - your comment is very sensible and well thought out,so why have you posted it on here? nobody on here wants sensible comment,if you wrote 'pay snoddy £10million a year to keep him' you would get loads of 5stars from the bates out numptys
posted on 18/4/12
Joe- It's a shame Batesy doesn't think that way when offers come in for our top players. That is why it is virtually impossible to replace the likes of Gradel and Howson, especially given the low fees.
posted on 18/4/12
skb
but remember gradel and howson cost nothing but both commanded a fee,same as a few hundred grand for snoddy turned into 3million fee is good business but bates cant make him stay,he will want to play in the prem and double his wages,he'd be stupid if he didnt
posted on 18/4/12
but as you said,difficult to replace them
posted on 18/4/12
Sir Kenneth Bates
I think it similarly a shame when players the club have plucked from obscurity and paid handsomely show no loyalty to the club and demand a transfer to play in the PL at the earliest opportunity, or who bottle it and depart for a Championship club purely for money or decide to go overseas to some Bistro Club because they are homesick.
posted on 18/4/12
Gradel did cost a small fee from Leicester and they got a slice out of the sale in August. I agree it's good business, but it's no consolation if you're the manager.
posted on 18/4/12
you can bet if vayrynen was on 10k a week then forssel must be on the same,thats a million down the drain for a start + o'dea?
posted on 18/4/12
joe, remember forssell is a goal machine, probably on even more!
posted on 18/4/12
Whoever decides what to pay players must base it on history/experience rather than the present. A bit like what happens with players under contract at the club like Beckford and Johnson.
posted on 19/4/12
The first option, since the second option is a fantasy. If we sell Snodgrass, we'll still fulfill our transfers with loans and freebies and bargain bucket players because bates simply will not pay players money. He's set in his ways that "the bubble has burst, you're asking for more than you're worth" and as such will refuse to pay players the wages they can demand. Supply and demand, the backbone of capitalism and a so called businessman has forgotten, ignored or overlooked that.
posted on 19/4/12
it's a nice dream to say player's should show loyalty to the club that brought them through, but lets be honest... in the real world, snoddy's talents would have been noticed by some club, he'd be the star player there and top teams would take an interest. We haven't created this player and therefore he owes us. He may have improved whilst at the club but he'd have improved anywhere... its hardly like our coaching has been award winning. If we managed his contract well we'd make a tidy profit on it, and its the clubs fault (or gamble on making the premier league before his contract runs down, depending on how you see it) if we don't.
If he turned down a premier club. he'd be mad, he could get injured next season, take a dip in form etc.
Let's say he stays and has a career ending injury next year, ok he'll pick up an insurance payout, and get plenty of hard luck stories. The club won't be offering him a £20k a week contract as an ambassador out of sympathy though will they. They'll look after leeds united, and he should look after robert snodgrass.
I rate him highly and would love him to stay at Leeds, but if he has a chance to play in the premiership he should take it. It might not come again.
posted on 19/4/12
I wouldn't blame him in the slightest for leaving. But I will blame the club, he's called for ambition and they are likely to twist it into "he thought he was bigger than the club", selling him and making a nice profit that will not get spent on players. Well, some of it will but half of it will vanish into thin air as usual.
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