comment by Oscar. 2019 YEAR OF THE MACK! #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 9 hours, 57 minutes ago
I don’t get Italy either mons but the only thing that slightly gives some reasoning is around 25% of their population are over 65’s. So naturally they would have more people to die from colds and stuff every year
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It's likely related to the scale of testing and method of diagnosis.

South Korea started blanket testing around 30,000 people every day regardless of whether they were showing symptoms or not, just suspected contacts.

That means they identified cases in loads of younger people who have developed the illness without too much difficulty.

I don't know what's gone on in Italy, but I imagine they're probably only testing people who've developed strong symptoms. Death rates are probably impacted too by the fact that they -like us in Spain- were pretty lax to begin with and only realized the problem they had once it exploded in their faces.

A major reason for such a high death rate is that their health system has been overrun. There aren't enough respirators for all the cases they've had. Doctors have faced the awful decision of having to choose who they think is going to pull through and who isn't.

That is the main reason why authorities want to contain. Not because people won't get it, but because if everyone gets it at the same time, your health system and therefore your citizenry is well and truly shafted.

CPL

https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/419797

Hand sanitiser can be 60-95% alcohol. They had to take them away from the ward one day cos some Polish alcoholic patient had found the store room for them

Italians are far too tactile for their own good...

how you feeling superb? I hope its not covid, if you want a positive outlook, it seems about 2-3 people i know/friends have been ill every week since christmas. A lot of normal flu etc going about.

comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted less than a minute ago
Hand sanitiser can be 60-95% alcohol. They had to take them away from the ward one day cos some Polish alcoholic patient had found the store room for them
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Is that Polish the country...or polish the cleaning agent...

I hope that there has been a thorough testing of pl players and staff and reckon that maybe if that gets done, we could play the remainder of games behind closed doors.

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Thanks Nick and everyone else, Sidey, Black Hawk etc. Feel awful this morning but it just feels like regular flu/lurgy. Now self isolating for 7 days as instructed by the NHS text I received over the weekend. I don't have cough or painful lungs though so that's positive presumably.

On method of diagnosis, cases can be confirmed in two ways: microbiology (lab test) or clinical diagnosis - i.e. by the collection of signs and symptoms shown.

China, for example, was acknowledging lab diagnosis only, but at one stage suspected cases were piling up so quickly that patients were dropping like flies before they'd had time to be diagnosed and put under whatever specific treatments they were using for confirmed cases - that's why they had a spike of I think tens of thousands of cases in under 24 hours. Two or three days later they reverted to lab-confirmed cases.

I have no idea of what each country is doing, but when you look at the death toll in Germany for example, it suggests that they've been testing all age groups from very early on.

Here in Spain many suspected cases that don't require immediate hospitalisation are being sent home to self-isolate without testing. If they'd all been tested, the case count would be much higher, but the overall death rate would be much lower.

My wife's a doctor and is working at the Tenerife hospital that's taken most of the cases on the island. Her colleagues in intensive medicine say there's a degree of confusion and lack of concrete criteria as to who does or doesn't get tested. Some people have tests sent to the lab requesting regular pathogen tests (e.g. flu virus), and the test that comes back includes CV test; in other cases, docs are requesting CV test and lab is not doing it.

The reason for this is two-fold: quite clearly, hesitant and incompetent handling at various political levels, with many governments failing to heed timely calls for strong action from the WHO; and the fact that this is a new and developing situation and no-one really knows yet which is the best course of action.

UK response has been baffling.



Superb, hope you get well soon mate. Do you have any potentially aggravating factors?

One of my best friends in Madrid had been feeling ill for a couple of days. She was clinically diagnosed positive two days ago and told to self-isolate and report any deterioration. She's 48 and has asthma, but according to my partner -I don't know why- asthma hasn't so far been considered as placing you at a significantly higher risk.

it'sonlyagame, fortunately not

And thanks

superb get well soon mate

IOAG....i'm not going into work today. Told my manager, I need advice from the GP and heart centre about my added risks (severely stenotic heart valve, due to have surgery this year)

IOAG would you say the 1 in 5 of infected people need hospital treatment, is an exaggerated figure ?

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 53 minutes ago
Thanks Nick and everyone else, Sidey, Black Hawk etc. Feel awful this morning but it just feels like regular flu/lurgy. Now self isolating for 7 days as instructed by the NHS text I received over the weekend. I don't have cough or painful lungs though so that's positive presumably.
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are you really ill like full blown flu or is it more of a really bad cold,
what i am asking is are you functioning as with Flu you cant do anything

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Thanks all. Mons dunno mate just feel fecked but I think it's just regular lurgy as no cough or lung symptoms. Seriously doubt it's covid 19 at this point. Still going to self isolate 7 days. Not going to type much more today, zonked. Cheers.

Hope you're feeling better Superb and that you got good news RtM.

Word is they're shutting down all restaurants/bars here

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What if the virus mutates like the Spanish flu

Her Immunity not such a bad idea in that case

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I'm going to go to the woods for a while. Good luck guys

Just kidding I'd die there way faster

This will be the end for a lot of restaurants