Jorgensen

comment by CSTP (U1453)
posted 14 hours, 7 minutes ago

We finished 6th last season already, so we should be aspiring to do better this time. Otherwise what was the point in any of the actions the club has taken since then.
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Owners expectations should be higher but mine aren't, it's not fair on Marseca.

If Pochettino was still here, my expectation would've been competing for Champions League spot from the new year onwards.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago

These owners have so far brought in project managers that clearly need time but haven't been afforded that. We can only hope that changes with Maresca but I certainly wouldn't put any money on it.

Wonder when a cycle of instant success big name managers are brought in instead ? Seems inevitable that will be next if things don't work out with this new manager.
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That's a very interesting question, and if I had to guess now I don't see them doing that.

They'll keep hiring long term vision managers & not giving them time

Of all the ways they've unintentionally mimicked Abramovich's ownership badly, being conflicted about what they want is probably the funniest

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by CSTP (U1453)
posted 14 hours, 7 minutes ago

We finished 6th last season already, so we should be aspiring to do better this time. Otherwise what was the point in any of the actions the club has taken since then.
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Owners expectations should be higher but mine aren't, it's not fair on Marseca.

If Pochettino was still here, my expectation would've been competing for Champions League spot from the new year onwards.
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Yep

That’s my point. If our expectations would be higher with Poch still here then it means the decision to get rid probably wasn’t wise. We’re the ones who got rid of him! Not like he died.

Well it probably wasn't wise. But it's right to distinguish between owner and fan expectations. I expect us to have a turbulent season with heavy pressure on the team and manager and links away for our better players. The owners presumably expect Maresca to outperform Poch (or to be less combative towards them more likely)

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago

These owners have so far brought in project managers that clearly need time but haven't been afforded that. We can only hope that changes with Maresca but I certainly wouldn't put any money on it.

Wonder when a cycle of instant success big name managers are brought in instead ? Seems inevitable that will be next if things don't work out with this new manager.
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That's a very interesting question, and if I had to guess now I don't see them doing that.

They'll keep hiring long term vision managers & not giving them time
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If their current approach continues to fail, it's likely they'll revert to the Abramovich model of instant success. They haven't shown they can give a project manager the time or structure needed for success. Maresca will be the ultimate test; if he doesn't succeed, they'll probably just return to hiring short-term success managers.

So Madueke going to Newcastle what we keep Mudryk. I feckin give up

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 39 seconds ago
So Madueke going to Newcastle what we keep Mudryk. I feckin give up
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What.... Where did this come from

https://www.football365.com/news/newcastle-agree-personal-terms-chelsea-eddie-how-fourth-choice

So agreed personal terms it's not a done deal then... Although I'd say he's perfect Newcastle material

Honestly I'm not overly bothered about Madueke. If someone wants to offer good money for him I'd take it.

I thought ASM was better

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 16 minutes ago
Honestly I'm not overly bothered about Madueke. If someone wants to offer good money for him I'd take it.
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For me after Palmer and Gusto, had a very promising season. Always working defenders,looking to make things happen. Unlike Mudryk who apart from nice finishing at times, was totally ineffective in games, especially when taking on defenders and ball retention

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 41 minutes ago
So agreed personal terms it's not a done deal then... Although I'd say he's perfect Newcastle material
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Makes me wonder if Gordon to Liverpool is back on?

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 16 minutes ago
Honestly I'm not overly bothered about Madueke. If someone wants to offer good money for him I'd take it.
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For me after Palmer and Gusto, had a very promising season. Always working defenders,looking to make things happen. Unlike Mudryk who apart from nice finishing at times, was totally ineffective in games, especially when taking on defenders and ball retention
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LOL! When? Mads was awful and basically England Saka v2. He would beat a player and then either be greedy and take a shot and miss (usually pretty badly) 9/10, or pass to no one or the wrong player completely ballsing up the attack.

Dont get me wrong would be sad to see him go cos at the start there looked like a very good raw player in there - last season though the ego caught up and he started to think he is much better than he is, if he can get this under control, eat a bit of humble pie and work hard there is a potential diamond in the rough for sure

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
So Madueke going to Newcastle what we keep Mudryk. I feckin give up
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Not the most reliable sources as of yet. The fact Madueke is part of the squad in the US, makes me think he's in Maresca's plans.

comment by T.J (U15973)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
So Madueke going to Newcastle what we keep Mudryk. I feckin give up
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Not the most reliable sources as of yet. The fact Madueke is part of the squad in the US, makes me think he's in Maresca's plans.
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Yeah....fair point

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted about an hour ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 16 minutes ago
Honestly I'm not overly bothered about Madueke. If someone wants to offer good money for him I'd take it.
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For me after Palmer and Gusto, had a very promising season. Always working defenders,looking to make things happen. Unlike Mudryk who apart from nice finishing at times, was totally ineffective in games, especially when taking on defenders and ball retention
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LOL! When? Mads was awful and basically England Saka v2. He would beat a player and then either be greedy and take a shot and miss (usually pretty badly) 9/10, or pass to no one or the wrong player completely ballsing up the attack.

Dont get me wrong would be sad to see him go cos at the start there looked like a very good raw player in there - last season though the ego caught up and he started to think he is much better than he is, if he can get this under control, eat a bit of humble pie and work hard there is a potential diamond in the rough for sure


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I agree with you on his ego and attitude but not about his performances over the season.

Suspect Madueke will stay. Would seem odd timing to sell, thought he had a good season (much improved from the season before) and wouldn't imagine we'd profit much from selling him.

In terms of expectations...I've no idea what to expect lol. Although I don't think it's unreasonable to want to demand a top4 position, given I was confident Poch would have achieved that next year, and this is now 3rd season post Abramovich. I've no idea what Maresca is really like, but I'm just hoping his possessinlon based style is not simialr to Sarri because I found that pretty dull

comment by jesus6662 (U8600)
posted 16 minutes ago
Suspect Madueke will stay. Would seem odd timing to sell, thought he had a good season (much improved from the season before) and wouldn't imagine we'd profit much from selling him.

In terms of expectations...I've no idea what to expect lol. Although I don't think it's unreasonable to want to demand a top4 position, given I was confident Poch would have achieved that next year, and this is now 3rd season post Abramovich. I've no idea what Maresca is really like, but I'm just hoping his possessinlon based style is not simialr to Sarri because I found that pretty dull
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That's why I don't have any expectations. Relatively unknown manager, new to the PL, with a squad of players of which many remain unknown quantities.

It's a lot to ask Palmer to repeat his goal contribution this season too. Completely up in the air as to how this season goes

My expectations are the same as last season tbh

To see gradual improvement and gelling of the team - and that's an important factor here. We need a team. Not Palmer FC. I love Cole but we have seen in the past when we have been over-reliant on a single player.

I hate with recent managers the moment we make a sub (often way to late) the team seems to no longer know what its doing.

And we need to see much quicker improvements - the reason why I think sacking Pooch was the right thing is the improvements we saw were about 8 months too late. What we saw in April I personally feel should have been happening around Oct/Nov. When you are a top tier coach you should be IMO getting better results in far faster times, now I am not saying league winning or anything like that. Just a players who like like a team and have a rough idea of how to attack

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted less than a minute ago
My expectations are the same as last season tbh

To see gradual improvement and gelling of the team - and that's an important factor here. We need a team. Not Palmer FC. I love Cole but we have seen in the past when we have been over-reliant on a single player.

I hate with recent managers the moment we make a sub (often way to late) the team seems to no longer know what its doing.

And we need to see much quicker improvements - the reason why I think sacking Pooch was the right thing is the improvements we saw were about 8 months too late. What we saw in April I personally feel should have been happening around Oct/Nov. When you are a top tier coach you should be IMO getting better results in far faster times, now I am not saying league winning or anything like that. Just a players who like like a team and have a rough idea of how to attack
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And yet many top coaches say they need 18months

And there were no immediate improvements under Arteta. I can't remember tbh how long it took Liverpool to improve under Klopp