I'm guessing he was another resorting to childish insults?

No wonder he likes Hamilton's smashy-smashy driving style.

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Behaviour like what?

And Alonso certainly hasn't done worse. Don't talk twaddle, you Hamilton fanboys have an irrational hatred of Alonso, wonder why that is...

Drunken hobo, I am not a Hamilton fan. Why is it that the Alonso fanboys have an irrational hatred for anyone who deosn't like their idol. They also label them Hamilton fans. Let me make something clear, I do not like Alonso's antics, but I respect his abilities.

You really do not know a lot about your idol, I guess you are one of those people that entered the sport with Alonso and can't see the wood for trees.

1) Fernando ignored yellow flags in a race, risked the lives of marshalls and drivers and should have been red flagged and banned from the sport.

2) Fernando deliberately prevented Hamilton from setting a final lap time in Hungary by staying in the pits even though his pitstop had finished. He also lied to the press about it when asked

3) Fernando was in possession of Ferrari documents and tried to use them to blackmail Mclaren to make him the number 1 driver. He lost his job as a result.

4) Fernando took a win away from his team mate when team orders were illegal and subsequently lied to the stewards after the race to cover it up.

5) Fernando's team mate was asked to crash into a wall in order for Fernando to win a race. No one cared about the lives or safety of his team mate or stewards. He still claims that tainted win till this day.

I could go on but I'm not that childish. Alonso has been involved in way more horrible things than even Schumacher and if anyone wants to talk about driver behaviour. Fernando has to be up there for not being a sportsman and recklessly endangering the lives of stewards, marshalls and drivers.

I now sit back and wait to see how you will deny these cold hard facts and not the made up rubbish by the OP

Not an Alonso fanboy, although it is a trait of Hamilton fanboys to label anyone that isn't a Hamilton fanboy an Alonso fanboy... you really do have a lot in common with the Old Firm, either one side or the other.

1. Aye, banned for "ignoring yellow flags" - I'm sure if he did do that he was punnished appropriately. Plenty of drivers have done that, it's not as if Alonso does it regularly, although he may find it difficult to keep up with the number of yellow flags Hamilton creates. When exactly was this incident?

2. Blaming Alonso for Hamilton being too slow. Odd.

3. Blaming Alonso for the despicable antics of the McLaren team (that "somehow" managed to remain in the sport). Bizzare.

4. Blaming Alonso for something illegal Ferrari did (and team orders never really went away, that's why they were brought back). Crazy.

5. Blaming Alonso for the despicable antics of the Renault team (that "somehow" managed to remain in the sport). Insane.


I presume you're on the wind up, or have some sort of complex against Alonso, as how you can think maybe once not seeing a yellow flag can equate to Hamilton's deliberate pursuit to kill another driver by constantly ramming into them? I'm glad your not Justice Secretary, otherwise we'd have capital punnishment for speeding through roadworks yet no punnishment at all for attempted murder!

Both of you sound like crazy men. Hobo your rebuttals were pretty accurate; it's pretty much what I was thinking when I read Belgarion's post. But this - "Hamilton's deliberate pursuit to kill another driver by constantly ramming into them" - are you serious?

You both need to accept that the vast majority of sportsmen (with seemingly some exceptions like snooker and golf) "bend the rules", or cheat, to try and win. To use this as a reason to hate one while praising another is extremely hypocritical.

In fact, if you really hate someone for sporting reasons, you probably need to take a long hard look in the mirror and re-assess your priorities.

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Ah, the classic Hamilton fan excuse.

"Others do it, so it's okay"

However, what you've again failed to acknowledge is the extreme level Hamilton has taken cheating to. Look at the list...he hasn't had a single clean race all year...

WTGL is a WUM

"Ah, the classic Hamilton fan excuse.

"Others do it, so it's okay"

Did you even read what I wrote? At no point did I defend Hamilton's style. I merely said I don't think he has his heart set on murdering a fellow driver. Do you disagree with that?

As I've already said, I'm not a fan of Hamilton or his style of driving and I think he has made a few dangerous moves this season. You could check back if you hadn't deleted the majority of my posts.

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Hello all,

Come join my forum

I do not hate Alonso. I have said, the OP is being disingenuous as Alonso has his share of dodgy incidents. So if anyone is being criticised, Fernando should be as well for objectivity.

Kindly find below Alonso Controversies in the sport


• At the 2003 European Grand Prix, David Coulthard and McLaren managing director Martin Whitmarsh accused Alonso of giving Coulthard a brake test. This was in relation to a passage of racing towards the end of the race when Coulthard was trying to overtake Alonso, who was holding him up. Coulthard swerved off the track and into retirement during an attempted overtake.

• At the 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix, Alonso was involved in an incident in which he brake tested Red Bull Racing test driver Robert Doornbos in the second free practice session. The stewards decided that Alonso's actions were "unnecessary, unacceptable and dangerous", and awarded him a one second time penalty to be applied to his fastest lap time in each of the qualifying sessions.

• After a separate incident from the same race, when Michael Schumacher was asked whether he thought Alonso deliberately slowed down so that Schumacher had to pass him under red flags in practice, Schumacher replied, "You said that, I didn't.

• In the 2006 Italian Grand Prix, after stewards ruled Alonso had potentially blocked Felipe Massa in Saturday qualifying and relegated him five places on the starting grid, Alonso stated "I love the sport, love the fans coming here — a lot of them from Spain but I don't consider Formula One like a sport any more".

• In the qualifying for the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix, while both McLarens were in the pits, Alonso remained stationary in the McLaren pit for a few seconds. This delayed the then provisional pole sitter and team-mate Lewis Hamilton long enough to prevent him from getting another 'hot lap' in. Alonso then went on to claim pole. McLaren boss Ron Dennis later said the team had got "out of sequence" when Hamilton did not as agreed allow Alonso past earlier in the qualifying session. He added that Alonso was "under the control of his engineer" when he was waiting in the pit lane.[ However, Alonso was subsequently given a five-place grid penalty and his McLaren team were docked the 15 constructors' World Championship points they would have earned in the race.

• As a result of this investigation, it emerged that some team members within McLaren, among them Alonso, were aware of confidential information belonging to the Ferrari team. This information was commented on to Alonso by McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa who had also received information from McLaren chief designer Mike Coughlan. The email contained text suggesting that Alonso was surprised by the data and doubted its authenticity. According to the "spygate" related email exchanges between Alonso and de la Rosa, it was clear that Alonso knew about Ferrari's pit strategies in the Australian Grand Prix and Bahrain Grand Prix. Alonso finished 2nd and 5th respectively in those races. Ron Dennis told the FIA about the case during the Hungarian Grand Prix. Amid media allegations that Alonso threatened Dennis with reporting the team to FIA himself if he was not given number one driver status, Ron Dennis stated in a televised interview that there had been an argument, and that Alonso had said something in the heat of the moment but immediately apologised. This was when Dennis found out about Ferrari data and immediately informed the FIA. Pitlane sources have suggested, from published FIA stewards data, that an argument involving reporting the McLaren team to the FIA was prompted by the fact that there was no stewards' investigation regarding the qualifying pitlane incident until Anthony and Lewis Hamilton made a formal complaint on the Saturday evening; costing Alonso a five-place grid penalty and loss of Constructors' Points for the team.

FIA then revealed that it had had knowledge of the Spygate case thanks to a slip made by Coughlan.

• In what became known in the media as "Crashgate", Renault allegedly ordered Alonso's teammate Nelson Piquet, Jr. to crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, causing a safety-car incident at a moment where Alonso would get tremendous benefit from his race strategy, putting him towards the front of the field, and giving him a fighting chance to win the race, after a number of opponents (Felipe Massa, Robert Kubica and Kimi Räikkönen to name a few) suffered.

• In the 2010 German Grand Prix at Hockenheim, Alonso became involved in a controversy with team-mate Massa, as Ferrari were accused of using team orders during the race. The incident started when Massa was leading the race and Ferrari engineer Rob Smedley said "Fernando is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?". Shortly after this, Massa slowed down and was overtaken by Alonso in what appeared to be team orders. Shortly after the race notable people of the senior personnel in Ferrari, Massa and Alonso were summoned to the stewards. The matter was then referred to the FIA World Motor Sport Council. and Ferrari were given a $100,000 fine but the result of the race was unchanged.

• In the 2010 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, Alonso was seen gesticulating furiously at Vitaly Petrov on the slowing down lap in front of TV cameras, and initially it seemed that he had blamed the young Russian for costing him the world crown as he ended up being unable to find a way past the Renault driver while race winner Sebastian Vettel was crowned world champion. However, Alonso denied accusations that he had accused him of denying the Spaniard the title.

This video also shows when he ignored yellow flags and had a major accident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXzFy-lqZu0

So ladies and gents, if we are truly being objective, even Schumi has got nothing on Alonso. So why don't we have articles bashing Alonso's antics?

If that's how you feel, there's nothing stopping you from writing an article about how nasty Mr Alonso is. We're not being objective; this is a debating board. We are discussing our thoughts on Lewis Hamilton - you can't get much more subjective than that.

Also, you link shows Alonso not breaking any rules and having a single car crash due to a massive amount of debris on the road. Oooh, he's so eeeevil!

He ignored yellow flags being waved during the race and smashed into the debris.

My comments have been firmly directed at the OP and drunken hobo. I thought we were allowed to debate here? They say Hamilton is dangerous and has committed a variety of atrocities and say he's dangerous for the sport but neglect someone who is worse.

That's the point. It's not rocket science is it?