I like Ando a lot. But Schweinsteiger is a much better player. You are gonna get burned.
He is a very good player but not quite as good as made out. But definitely better than Anderson. He'll never come though because getting players off Bayern Munich is next to impossible, especially German players.
There are many reasons for it but the best one I can think of based on my time in Munich is how beautiful the City is so why would anyone want to come to rainy Manchester?!
I like Ando a lot. But Schweinsteiger is a much better player. You are gonna get burned.
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i honestly think an on form, fit Anderson is a top notch player who could hold his own against most similar styled midifelders in the world.
the problem is getting him fit, and getting him on form.
i honestly think an on form, fit Anderson is a top notch player who could hold his own against most similar styled midifelders in the world.
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The start of last season was a example, against Man City in the CS and the 8-2 v Arsenal, has was incredible.
I realise that I will get burned and I admit that schweinsteiger is the 'better' player simply due to him playing and ando on the treatment tables LOL
What I do think though is that in certain cases 1 player can do no wrong and the other is slated for doing the same things
I didnt think schweinsteiger had all that a good game v portugal for example. He tried to thread some balls in to the front men and despite it not paying off he was complimented for trying and having 'vision'. which is fair enough
However I often say that about ando (when he plays) to my son, yet ando gets slated
I do however think it ando is harder to knock off the ball
I like Anderson and hope we can see an injury free campaign from him. Once I really though that he could reach the levels that BS is at. However, we have to face the truth and that is that Anderson has had 6 knee injuries now. I suspect that they will continue to hamper his progress for the rest of his career and he will never reach the potential he had as an 18 year old. For me BS is a better player than Anderson is or ever will be.
@duncanedwards - I actually agree with you. I do think there is 'more' to andos game than schweinsteigers
I think he is stronger, more confident and has more vision
fitness has been an issue, but not in the sense some accuse. Look at his injuries and they are quite serious and he has done well to consistently come back
your right.
ive said this before, 99 per cent of people on here never saw Anderson play before he came to united.
the media had likened him to Ronaldinho ( probably because he is black, brazilian and had dreads) so people made up in their minds the type of player they thought he was, not what he was.
The expected him to be doing fancy stepovers and better 10 players at a time, when in fact he isnt that type of player at all.
And your right about schweinsteiger too. If he or players like him give the ball away its ok, because theyve "tried the killer ball".
Anderson tries the same thing and gets accused of playing the hoolywood pass
unfortunately its pathetic that some people on here b ! t c h and moan about things because they have nothing better to do, and having a scapegoat in the team when we fail is easier than admiting we werent good enough.
maybe ando will never rech the heights we expect, who knows
my issue is that it frustrates me that fans slate him yet applaud another teams player for the same thing
What people are forgetting about Anderson at the start of this season was how lazy he was. I remember in the Arsenal and Chelsea games how little he did to track back and Arsenal could easily have scored 6 goals and same with Chelsea.
He would only work in a midfield with 2 players mopping up after him. Ironically someone like Schweinsteiger!
comment by RedReason (U5677)
fitness has been an issue, but not in the sense some accuse. Look at his injuries and they are quite serious and he has done well to consistently come back
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Whilst this isn't an attack on Anderson as a person, I don't agree that he has consistently come back from his injuries - well not his knee injuries anyway. Every time he gets back playing again they seem to let him down. It is a real worry for me.
What people are forgetting about Anderson at the start of this season was how lazy he was. I remember in the Arsenal and Chelsea games how little he did to track back and Arsenal could easily have scored 6 goals and same with Chelsea.
He would only work in a midfield with 2 players mopping up after him. Ironically someone like Schweinsteiger!
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and there ladies and gentleman is another blinkered opinion
was it also not cleverley's job to help defend??, was it not the wingers job to help defend???
oh no, thats right, it was all andersons fault.
a prime example of what i was on about
funrob - since ando has been with us the one thing that has been clear as glass is that a run in games is what he needs. getting that run and the improvements become obvious
I actually dont see him as lazy, and would often comment on the tackles he makes considering his injuries (broken leg etc).
remember one of our best players this season, carrick, is notoriously a slow starter. As is the team traditionally as a whole
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
your right.
ive said this before, 99 per cent of people on here never saw Anderson play before he came to united.
the media had likened him to Ronaldinho ( probably because he is black, brazilian and had dreads) so people made up in their minds the type of player they thought he was, not what he was.
The expected him to be doing fancy stepovers and better 10 players at a time, when in fact he isnt that type of player at all.
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I couldnt disagree with you more and have to question whether you actually saw him play at Porto. Stepovers, tricks and beating players was exactly what his game was about.
SAF tried to turn him into an all round CM, I suspect like Edgar Davids who he so admired. Unfortunately that has curtailed Anderson's attacking flair. The kind of player we have seen at United is not the player that Anderson used to be.
Difference is, that schweinsteiger often does thread the ball through to the strikers, whereas Anderson is woefully bad at the final ball. Several times a game Ando will attempt a difficult ball, and overhit it by so far that having good vision starts to not count. He may be able to see a pass, but he is unable to play it, so he is not in schweinsteiger's league.
I couldnt disagree with you more and have to question whether you actually saw him play at Porto. Stepovers, tricks and beating players was exactly what his game was about.
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yeah i saw him play and your right to a degree.
what i meant was people probably thought of him as a ronaldinho/ ronaldo type player in terms of skill, which he wasnt.
he could beat a man with a step over but even then he was a powerful player who relied on his power.
people say he is fat, he isnt, he's strong, and thats how he has always been.
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Cleverley did track back but I remember clear as day that when Anderson lost the ball by passing straight to the opposition that he stood there for far too long before running back. He wasn't completely to blame but as he started most of the oppositions attacks with careless balls he needed to do more to try and fix his errors.
It's a vicious circle for him. He needs to be fit to take the errors out of his game but never gets the chance to be fit because he gets injured fairly regularly. I personally would sell him now if we had the chance because the definition of madness is doing the same thing everytime but expecting different results.
We tried to get Lampard last season (which was confirmed). Surely even he would be a better stopgap to have in the midfield than a player who is fit for a third of the season? Then bring Petrucci and Tunnicliffe through the season after.
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
yeah i saw him play and your right to a degree.
what i meant was people probably thought of him as a ronaldinho/ ronaldo type player in terms of skill, which he wasnt.
he could beat a man with a step over but even then he was a powerful player who relied on his power.
people say he is fat, he isnt, he's strong, and thats how he has always been.
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Yeh I see what you mean. He was certainly an attacking player and I recall an article by Phil McNulty where he spoke of how Brazilian football was perplexed at SAFs decision to deploy him as what was essentially a DM.
I am just praying that he has a injury free season next season. Carrick, Cleverley and Anderson in a midfield three against big teams is quite strong.
fair enough hippo
I personally dont see the fuss. Maybe its the lack of games I have seen with schweinsteiger, although its probably more than ando LOL
I just noticed how easily he can be knocked off the ball and the lack of confidence when stepping up for a penalty. I actually had him down for missing in CL final
As I say overall schweiinsteiger simply plays more so thats that. But in terms of applause for 'vision' I dont see it being different
Of course having certain players around you helps, especially a gomez type that is simply there. something we lack (appart from valencia)
I really think that Kagawa will be part of any midfield 3 for us next season. He'll have to be because we'll have Young, Nani, Valencia, Rooney, Welbeck and Chicharito competing for places in the front 3.
And before anyone says that he's not a midfielder, the running theme of this article is that Anderson was turned into something he wasn't so Sir Alex may do it again.
And before anyone says that he's not a midfielder, the running theme of this article is that Anderson was turned into something he wasn't so Sir Alex may do it again.
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I hope he doesn't.
unfortunately its pathetic that some people on here b ! t c h and moan about things because they have nothing better to do, and having a scapegoat in the team when we fail is easier than admiting we werent good enough.
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But surely saying that "we weren't good enough" is an example of "btching and moaning"?
I don't think it is about scapegoats. I think that whenever "we weren't good enough" it is natural to examine the reasons why that was the case. Starting with personnel.
Ando is a good player who has shown glimpses of true quality over the years. But he has not done that often enough, whether due to injuries, consistency, form or whatever.
Looking at the player's stats over the last 5 years does not make you think "wow, what a player we've got". He has precious few goals or assists, for example. Now, that in itself doesn't prove much but it was a sufficient stick for United fans to beat the likes of Downing to death with....After all, Ando is described by our fans as an attacking CM - and the reason not to spend big in that department over the last few years.
has he justified the amount of faith showed in him? I've defended the lad for years but now I'm not nearly as convinced as I used to be that he is the right answer for us.
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posted on 12/6/12
I like Ando a lot. But Schweinsteiger is a much better player. You are gonna get burned.
posted on 12/6/12
He is a very good player but not quite as good as made out. But definitely better than Anderson. He'll never come though because getting players off Bayern Munich is next to impossible, especially German players.
There are many reasons for it but the best one I can think of based on my time in Munich is how beautiful the City is so why would anyone want to come to rainy Manchester?!
posted on 12/6/12
I like Ando a lot. But Schweinsteiger is a much better player. You are gonna get burned.
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i honestly think an on form, fit Anderson is a top notch player who could hold his own against most similar styled midifelders in the world.
the problem is getting him fit, and getting him on form.
posted on 12/6/12
i honestly think an on form, fit Anderson is a top notch player who could hold his own against most similar styled midifelders in the world.
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The start of last season was a example, against Man City in the CS and the 8-2 v Arsenal, has was incredible.
posted on 12/6/12
I realise that I will get burned and I admit that schweinsteiger is the 'better' player simply due to him playing and ando on the treatment tables LOL
What I do think though is that in certain cases 1 player can do no wrong and the other is slated for doing the same things
I didnt think schweinsteiger had all that a good game v portugal for example. He tried to thread some balls in to the front men and despite it not paying off he was complimented for trying and having 'vision'. which is fair enough
However I often say that about ando (when he plays) to my son, yet ando gets slated
I do however think it ando is harder to knock off the ball
posted on 12/6/12
I like Anderson and hope we can see an injury free campaign from him. Once I really though that he could reach the levels that BS is at. However, we have to face the truth and that is that Anderson has had 6 knee injuries now. I suspect that they will continue to hamper his progress for the rest of his career and he will never reach the potential he had as an 18 year old. For me BS is a better player than Anderson is or ever will be.
posted on 12/6/12
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posted on 12/6/12
@duncanedwards - I actually agree with you. I do think there is 'more' to andos game than schweinsteigers
I think he is stronger, more confident and has more vision
fitness has been an issue, but not in the sense some accuse. Look at his injuries and they are quite serious and he has done well to consistently come back
posted on 12/6/12
your right.
ive said this before, 99 per cent of people on here never saw Anderson play before he came to united.
the media had likened him to Ronaldinho ( probably because he is black, brazilian and had dreads) so people made up in their minds the type of player they thought he was, not what he was.
The expected him to be doing fancy stepovers and better 10 players at a time, when in fact he isnt that type of player at all.
And your right about schweinsteiger too. If he or players like him give the ball away its ok, because theyve "tried the killer ball".
Anderson tries the same thing and gets accused of playing the hoolywood pass
unfortunately its pathetic that some people on here b ! t c h and moan about things because they have nothing better to do, and having a scapegoat in the team when we fail is easier than admiting we werent good enough.
posted on 12/6/12
maybe ando will never rech the heights we expect, who knows
my issue is that it frustrates me that fans slate him yet applaud another teams player for the same thing
posted on 12/6/12
What people are forgetting about Anderson at the start of this season was how lazy he was. I remember in the Arsenal and Chelsea games how little he did to track back and Arsenal could easily have scored 6 goals and same with Chelsea.
He would only work in a midfield with 2 players mopping up after him. Ironically someone like Schweinsteiger!
posted on 12/6/12
comment by RedReason (U5677)
fitness has been an issue, but not in the sense some accuse. Look at his injuries and they are quite serious and he has done well to consistently come back
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Whilst this isn't an attack on Anderson as a person, I don't agree that he has consistently come back from his injuries - well not his knee injuries anyway. Every time he gets back playing again they seem to let him down. It is a real worry for me.
posted on 12/6/12
What people are forgetting about Anderson at the start of this season was how lazy he was. I remember in the Arsenal and Chelsea games how little he did to track back and Arsenal could easily have scored 6 goals and same with Chelsea.
He would only work in a midfield with 2 players mopping up after him. Ironically someone like Schweinsteiger!
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and there ladies and gentleman is another blinkered opinion
was it also not cleverley's job to help defend??, was it not the wingers job to help defend???
oh no, thats right, it was all andersons fault.
a prime example of what i was on about
posted on 12/6/12
funrob - since ando has been with us the one thing that has been clear as glass is that a run in games is what he needs. getting that run and the improvements become obvious
I actually dont see him as lazy, and would often comment on the tackles he makes considering his injuries (broken leg etc).
remember one of our best players this season, carrick, is notoriously a slow starter. As is the team traditionally as a whole
posted on 12/6/12
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
your right.
ive said this before, 99 per cent of people on here never saw Anderson play before he came to united.
the media had likened him to Ronaldinho ( probably because he is black, brazilian and had dreads) so people made up in their minds the type of player they thought he was, not what he was.
The expected him to be doing fancy stepovers and better 10 players at a time, when in fact he isnt that type of player at all.
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I couldnt disagree with you more and have to question whether you actually saw him play at Porto. Stepovers, tricks and beating players was exactly what his game was about.
SAF tried to turn him into an all round CM, I suspect like Edgar Davids who he so admired. Unfortunately that has curtailed Anderson's attacking flair. The kind of player we have seen at United is not the player that Anderson used to be.
posted on 12/6/12
Difference is, that schweinsteiger often does thread the ball through to the strikers, whereas Anderson is woefully bad at the final ball. Several times a game Ando will attempt a difficult ball, and overhit it by so far that having good vision starts to not count. He may be able to see a pass, but he is unable to play it, so he is not in schweinsteiger's league.
posted on 12/6/12
I couldnt disagree with you more and have to question whether you actually saw him play at Porto. Stepovers, tricks and beating players was exactly what his game was about.
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yeah i saw him play and your right to a degree.
what i meant was people probably thought of him as a ronaldinho/ ronaldo type player in terms of skill, which he wasnt.
he could beat a man with a step over but even then he was a powerful player who relied on his power.
people say he is fat, he isnt, he's strong, and thats how he has always been.
posted on 12/6/12
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posted on 12/6/12
Cleverley did track back but I remember clear as day that when Anderson lost the ball by passing straight to the opposition that he stood there for far too long before running back. He wasn't completely to blame but as he started most of the oppositions attacks with careless balls he needed to do more to try and fix his errors.
It's a vicious circle for him. He needs to be fit to take the errors out of his game but never gets the chance to be fit because he gets injured fairly regularly. I personally would sell him now if we had the chance because the definition of madness is doing the same thing everytime but expecting different results.
We tried to get Lampard last season (which was confirmed). Surely even he would be a better stopgap to have in the midfield than a player who is fit for a third of the season? Then bring Petrucci and Tunnicliffe through the season after.
posted on 12/6/12
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
yeah i saw him play and your right to a degree.
what i meant was people probably thought of him as a ronaldinho/ ronaldo type player in terms of skill, which he wasnt.
he could beat a man with a step over but even then he was a powerful player who relied on his power.
people say he is fat, he isnt, he's strong, and thats how he has always been.
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Yeh I see what you mean. He was certainly an attacking player and I recall an article by Phil McNulty where he spoke of how Brazilian football was perplexed at SAFs decision to deploy him as what was essentially a DM.
posted on 12/6/12
I am just praying that he has a injury free season next season. Carrick, Cleverley and Anderson in a midfield three against big teams is quite strong.
posted on 12/6/12
fair enough hippo
I personally dont see the fuss. Maybe its the lack of games I have seen with schweinsteiger, although its probably more than ando LOL
I just noticed how easily he can be knocked off the ball and the lack of confidence when stepping up for a penalty. I actually had him down for missing in CL final
As I say overall schweiinsteiger simply plays more so thats that. But in terms of applause for 'vision' I dont see it being different
Of course having certain players around you helps, especially a gomez type that is simply there. something we lack (appart from valencia)
posted on 12/6/12
I really think that Kagawa will be part of any midfield 3 for us next season. He'll have to be because we'll have Young, Nani, Valencia, Rooney, Welbeck and Chicharito competing for places in the front 3.
And before anyone says that he's not a midfielder, the running theme of this article is that Anderson was turned into something he wasn't so Sir Alex may do it again.
posted on 12/6/12
And before anyone says that he's not a midfielder, the running theme of this article is that Anderson was turned into something he wasn't so Sir Alex may do it again.
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I hope he doesn't.
posted on 12/6/12
unfortunately its pathetic that some people on here b ! t c h and moan about things because they have nothing better to do, and having a scapegoat in the team when we fail is easier than admiting we werent good enough.
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But surely saying that "we weren't good enough" is an example of "btching and moaning"?
I don't think it is about scapegoats. I think that whenever "we weren't good enough" it is natural to examine the reasons why that was the case. Starting with personnel.
Ando is a good player who has shown glimpses of true quality over the years. But he has not done that often enough, whether due to injuries, consistency, form or whatever.
Looking at the player's stats over the last 5 years does not make you think "wow, what a player we've got". He has precious few goals or assists, for example. Now, that in itself doesn't prove much but it was a sufficient stick for United fans to beat the likes of Downing to death with....After all, Ando is described by our fans as an attacking CM - and the reason not to spend big in that department over the last few years.
has he justified the amount of faith showed in him? I've defended the lad for years but now I'm not nearly as convinced as I used to be that he is the right answer for us.
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