I'm not on twitter. Seems to me there should be an a instead of an i in that word.
Again, I would like to see the actual figures, compared with at least last season at this stage.
And I will repeat. A few baubles isn't worth the damage it would do to the game, and the reputation of the new club.
Can't find it lads. Could someone post the link?
"In other words, 'vote us out if you dare'
I'm getting fed up of this bullishness and brinksmanship.
You lot ARE pandering, but to the lowest common denominator. You would almost think that none of this mess is of Rangers' making."
Seriously.....fck off mate
Make up your own wee agenda if you want.
The fate of Rangers in the hands of the SPL clubs
The SPL clubs own fate is in their own hands.
What the SPL chairman should do is what is right for thier own club
There is nothing bullish or brinkmanship involved in saying to these people...."have the baws to do what is right for your club!"
What is right for some clubs is voting Rangers out.....for others its keeping us in.
At the end of the day, this is what these guys should do....and some of them appear to be hesitating, pandering to others, trying to pass the buck and avoid the responsibility.
Whatever will be will be, and we will have to accept our fate either way!
The mess Rangers are in was Ranges making.
The mess any of the other SPL clubs get themselves into through this vote going whatever way is their own making, not ours, you can fkc right off if you want to pin the blame for that on Rangers a media campaign or whatever else.
The SPL as a whole is making this decision....The SPL as a whole has to live with the consequences of it!!
Okay st3vie, no need for the sweary words mate.
I never even mentioned rangersmedia. Do they have a campaign going on?
This mess is of the old Rangers' making. No-one else's.
And seriously, are you saying that the Rangers fans have not articulated the leverage that they believe they have in this situation?
Half the rubbish talked about here is just newspaper bluster (polite word for c**p). Fans are going to support their team, especially those teams playing in Europe.
And when people say Fans will boycott - who exactly did they ask? The numpties in the fan associations or what? I've never been asked, have you?
And even if fans did boycott, a couple of wins and the glory hunters will be back on the terraces.
The weird thing is, taking a straw poll amonst my work colleagues who support a wide range of teams, there isn't one who thinks that the fans they know will boycott any game - even the die-hard Celtic fans. The only Aberdeen fan here, hopes that the mental element of their support will - they think that more of the normal support might just come back to the game.
Ask around and see if you get the same or different results.
Most think half the rubbish being printed is because
a) We're not in the Euros
b) Lennon's not been sent to the stand for weeks
c) No transfer news
No need for the sweary words.....No bloody wonder
"This mess is of the old Rangers' making. No-one else's."
Rangers went into administration and were liquidated...thats what the actions of the old Rangers did.
Everything else....the financiall effect on other clubs, the TV deal, whatever.....all of that is in "a mess" because of the huge reliance that the rest of the SPL puts on the old firm to keep them afloat.
If it wasnt for that, no-one would be batting an eyelid at the thought of telling a club that appears to have cheated for a decade+ where to go.
You are sitting saying this whole mess is no-one but Rangers making.
Rangers didnt broker the TV deal that meant four old firm games were paramount to it existing
Rangers didnt make Kilmarnock operate at a level where relegation from the SPL or the loss of Rangers from the top division could put them into serious financail trouble.
Rangers didnt ask the SPL to try and come up with sanctions or ways to punish them while keeping them in the top flight.
Rangers didnt make the SFA come up with a made up transfer embargo penalty becasue they wee too scared to throw us out for the amounf of rules we broke.
Of course Rangers have leverage in this situation.....you are basically sitting there blaming Rangers for being in that situation though
Right now, there is a simple choice to be made for the SPL chairman....do what is best for you own club.....thats it, in a nutshell, nothing esle to it.
Its going to be a case of a lesser evil likely for most...but how severe that is, is dependant on just how much reliance there is on Rangers, or how angry the fans of that club are at the fact their chariman voted Ranges back in.
Now you can try and pin as much of the blame for that on Rangers if you want......at the end of the day......the SPL will decide our fate, not us.
We are not the decision makers here......we CANNOT be held to blame for what decision is made!!!
The whole of the top division in Scotland relies havily on the old firm mate...you know that, and in the past Celtic fans have been annoyed at that due to ticket price hikes and the like.
If the roles were reversed, and Celtic were the club who's fate was in the SPL's hands.....you'd be as peed of as I am at you, if some Rangers fan came on and tried to blame Celtic for all and sundry that has contributed to this mess....when a shed load of the responsibility for how far reaching the impact of Rangers administration and liquidation is, depends solely and purely on just how much the rest of the clubs need us around......eff all to do with how your club was ran into the ground!
St3vie,
Which well-known former chairman of the old Rangers advised clubs constantly to catch up or die?
Which bampot led by example in terms of paying duffers over the odds wages?
You could argue that going back, the much heralded 'revolution' has put us where we are today. Clubs followed Rangers' lead, and hell mend them.
If they sink then fine and dandy by me. Are you telling me that the narrative about how clubs will go to the wall without Rangers is in not in actual fact one of the main sources for allowing a newco to drop straight in?
So yes. This was all Rangers' doing. And every argument that says football clubs will die as a result of the newco not being dropped in is of Rangers' doing as well.
Tim - was said owner correct to say that? Do two wrongs make a right?
Ibrox, I'm just saying if you're looking for provenance in this issue then look to Minty.
The SPL has been full of chairmen of his ilk for years. Now when the piper turns up they brick it.
As I said, the old owners of Rangers, aided and abetted by sycophants in the media, created the template that is crumbling around us.
And voting a newco would mean two wrongs, because it would preserve, to a great extent, the old spiv way of thinking that has created this mess.
Football people dont just stop watching their team
They get up on a Saturday go meet their mates have a beer and head to the game
Or they get their kids up and rush about getting them ready to go to the game.
Because of issus with another team does not even come in to it.
I try to put myself in the same position so imagine Hearts Aberdeen and Celtic all went the same way.
Would it stop me watching Rangers?
FFS
Aye sure it would
Anyone giving up and telling their mates Ive been going fo X number of years but now Im off to the shops with the Mrs or telling their son we dont go to football any more if quite frankly not a football person.
How many times has the statement been made that Rangers fans are so utterly gullible for listening to David Murray and believing his moonbeams??
So what you saying now.....David Murray was such an influential and believable character that his words actually made SPL chairman make poor business decisions for their own clubs...it was Murray that got Motherwell into administration for operating at a level they couldnt afford...it was Murray that led Roger Mitchell to demand that all SPL clubs should have 10000 seater stadiums as a minimum...it was Rangers that caused all of this!
As I said before.....fck off mate
and dont tell me to calm it with the sweary words....coz anything I say isnt anywhere near as insulting as the $hite you are coming out with here!!
Every argument that says football clubs will die as a result of the newco being dropped is a consequence of the business decisions made at that football club if that indeed is going to be the case.
David Murray nor anyone else at Rangers told Killie to to build a hotel at Rugby Park that would account for half of the potentially crippling £9m debt they would find themselves in during season 09/10...a debt that would have killed the club off if they were relegated that season.
Motherwell got into trouble because John Boyle allowed Billy Davies to spend more on transfer fees and wages than the club could actually afford to.
David Murray, with all his words, did not make these decisions, is not responsible for these decisions being made, and is guilty of nothing other than very very poor financial management at Rangers.....the rest of the clubs have to lok at themselves!!
Do not talk such utter utter pi$h mate!!
"David Murray was such an influential and believable character that his words actually made SPL chairman make poor business decisions for their own clubs"
Pretty much nail on the head, st3vie.
I don't know how old you are st3vie but Rangers exerted a huge influence on the commercial, marketing, and transfer strategy of Scottish football.
Remember Ravanelli?
Right....so David Murray made Dundee spend way way more money than what they had coming in did he??
I honestly dont think I have ever heard, or will ever hear a more tinted spec view than that mate....seriously, thats just sheer hatred of everything Rangers showing through right there....saying Rangers caused all the problems Dundee and everyone else got THEMSELVES into
Murray was heavily influenced by the success that was being made of the Premier League in England, and of the Champions League by Uefa...how much of a commercial success it was, how well it was marketed.
I guess its the fault of all those responsible for this making these thing what they are today that led Murray to run Rangers the way he did then aye???
See, I can pass the buck too ye know
and who made these EPL clubs spend like crazy
Sky
So its the fault of Sky
But wait
Who runs Sky
Mr Murdoch
So it will be his fault then
Howd oan
If he hadnae been born
But he was
So as in all things I blame the parents
Was clearly God's fault Duke
For the record tim....I'm 30 mate
What age are you......12??
What about the parents of the parents? They must shoulder some of the blame too?
no way IE
YIR Grand parents are always perfect
Whit about the grandparents parents, it all started with them
You know what I'm talking about, berz.
Don't you remember your owner standing with his stripy double breested suit and his scarlet braces telling everyone to spend spend spend?
And lots of clubs bought into it. Aided by willing banks who were cut from the same cloth as Minty. Money was easy to come by then. No such thing as bust, boom all the way baby!
Guess what? Boom came alright. Thanks to the 'revolution'.
GIRUY.
Aye, dave Murray should have foreseen a worldwide recession tim o tay
"lots of clubs bought into it.".....which means it was their choice
"Aided by willing banks who were cut from the same cloth as Minty"....but not Minty, but you are blaming Minty, for everything
I want you to jump off a bridge tim o tay....David Murray told me to tell you this by the way
seriously......fck off
get that RUY
Great analogy Stevie
Polis - 'so tim o tay, why did you shoot that man?'
Tim - 'cos dave Murray told me to so don't blame me, dave said it'
Polis - clink
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posted on 21/6/12
I'm not on twitter. Seems to me there should be an a instead of an i in that word.
Again, I would like to see the actual figures, compared with at least last season at this stage.
And I will repeat. A few baubles isn't worth the damage it would do to the game, and the reputation of the new club.
posted on 21/6/12
Can't find it lads. Could someone post the link?
posted on 21/6/12
"In other words, 'vote us out if you dare'
I'm getting fed up of this bullishness and brinksmanship.
You lot ARE pandering, but to the lowest common denominator. You would almost think that none of this mess is of Rangers' making."
Seriously.....fck off mate
Make up your own wee agenda if you want.
The fate of Rangers in the hands of the SPL clubs
The SPL clubs own fate is in their own hands.
What the SPL chairman should do is what is right for thier own club
There is nothing bullish or brinkmanship involved in saying to these people...."have the baws to do what is right for your club!"
What is right for some clubs is voting Rangers out.....for others its keeping us in.
At the end of the day, this is what these guys should do....and some of them appear to be hesitating, pandering to others, trying to pass the buck and avoid the responsibility.
Whatever will be will be, and we will have to accept our fate either way!
The mess Rangers are in was Ranges making.
The mess any of the other SPL clubs get themselves into through this vote going whatever way is their own making, not ours, you can fkc right off if you want to pin the blame for that on Rangers a media campaign or whatever else.
The SPL as a whole is making this decision....The SPL as a whole has to live with the consequences of it!!
posted on 21/6/12
Okay st3vie, no need for the sweary words mate.
I never even mentioned rangersmedia. Do they have a campaign going on?
This mess is of the old Rangers' making. No-one else's.
And seriously, are you saying that the Rangers fans have not articulated the leverage that they believe they have in this situation?
posted on 21/6/12
Half the rubbish talked about here is just newspaper bluster (polite word for c**p). Fans are going to support their team, especially those teams playing in Europe.
And when people say Fans will boycott - who exactly did they ask? The numpties in the fan associations or what? I've never been asked, have you?
And even if fans did boycott, a couple of wins and the glory hunters will be back on the terraces.
The weird thing is, taking a straw poll amonst my work colleagues who support a wide range of teams, there isn't one who thinks that the fans they know will boycott any game - even the die-hard Celtic fans. The only Aberdeen fan here, hopes that the mental element of their support will - they think that more of the normal support might just come back to the game.
Ask around and see if you get the same or different results.
Most think half the rubbish being printed is because
a) We're not in the Euros
b) Lennon's not been sent to the stand for weeks
c) No transfer news
posted on 21/6/12
No need for the sweary words.....No bloody wonder
"This mess is of the old Rangers' making. No-one else's."
Rangers went into administration and were liquidated...thats what the actions of the old Rangers did.
Everything else....the financiall effect on other clubs, the TV deal, whatever.....all of that is in "a mess" because of the huge reliance that the rest of the SPL puts on the old firm to keep them afloat.
If it wasnt for that, no-one would be batting an eyelid at the thought of telling a club that appears to have cheated for a decade+ where to go.
You are sitting saying this whole mess is no-one but Rangers making.
Rangers didnt broker the TV deal that meant four old firm games were paramount to it existing
Rangers didnt make Kilmarnock operate at a level where relegation from the SPL or the loss of Rangers from the top division could put them into serious financail trouble.
Rangers didnt ask the SPL to try and come up with sanctions or ways to punish them while keeping them in the top flight.
Rangers didnt make the SFA come up with a made up transfer embargo penalty becasue they wee too scared to throw us out for the amounf of rules we broke.
Of course Rangers have leverage in this situation.....you are basically sitting there blaming Rangers for being in that situation though
Right now, there is a simple choice to be made for the SPL chairman....do what is best for you own club.....thats it, in a nutshell, nothing esle to it.
Its going to be a case of a lesser evil likely for most...but how severe that is, is dependant on just how much reliance there is on Rangers, or how angry the fans of that club are at the fact their chariman voted Ranges back in.
Now you can try and pin as much of the blame for that on Rangers if you want......at the end of the day......the SPL will decide our fate, not us.
We are not the decision makers here......we CANNOT be held to blame for what decision is made!!!
The whole of the top division in Scotland relies havily on the old firm mate...you know that, and in the past Celtic fans have been annoyed at that due to ticket price hikes and the like.
If the roles were reversed, and Celtic were the club who's fate was in the SPL's hands.....you'd be as peed of as I am at you, if some Rangers fan came on and tried to blame Celtic for all and sundry that has contributed to this mess....when a shed load of the responsibility for how far reaching the impact of Rangers administration and liquidation is, depends solely and purely on just how much the rest of the clubs need us around......eff all to do with how your club was ran into the ground!
posted on 21/6/12
St3vie,
Which well-known former chairman of the old Rangers advised clubs constantly to catch up or die?
Which bampot led by example in terms of paying duffers over the odds wages?
You could argue that going back, the much heralded 'revolution' has put us where we are today. Clubs followed Rangers' lead, and hell mend them.
If they sink then fine and dandy by me. Are you telling me that the narrative about how clubs will go to the wall without Rangers is in not in actual fact one of the main sources for allowing a newco to drop straight in?
So yes. This was all Rangers' doing. And every argument that says football clubs will die as a result of the newco not being dropped in is of Rangers' doing as well.
posted on 21/6/12
Tim - was said owner correct to say that? Do two wrongs make a right?
posted on 21/6/12
Ibrox, I'm just saying if you're looking for provenance in this issue then look to Minty.
The SPL has been full of chairmen of his ilk for years. Now when the piper turns up they brick it.
As I said, the old owners of Rangers, aided and abetted by sycophants in the media, created the template that is crumbling around us.
And voting a newco would mean two wrongs, because it would preserve, to a great extent, the old spiv way of thinking that has created this mess.
posted on 21/6/12
Football people dont just stop watching their team
They get up on a Saturday go meet their mates have a beer and head to the game
Or they get their kids up and rush about getting them ready to go to the game.
Because of issus with another team does not even come in to it.
I try to put myself in the same position so imagine Hearts Aberdeen and Celtic all went the same way.
Would it stop me watching Rangers?
FFS
Aye sure it would
Anyone giving up and telling their mates Ive been going fo X number of years but now Im off to the shops with the Mrs or telling their son we dont go to football any more if quite frankly not a football person.
posted on 21/6/12
How many times has the statement been made that Rangers fans are so utterly gullible for listening to David Murray and believing his moonbeams??
So what you saying now.....David Murray was such an influential and believable character that his words actually made SPL chairman make poor business decisions for their own clubs...it was Murray that got Motherwell into administration for operating at a level they couldnt afford...it was Murray that led Roger Mitchell to demand that all SPL clubs should have 10000 seater stadiums as a minimum...it was Rangers that caused all of this!
As I said before.....fck off mate
and dont tell me to calm it with the sweary words....coz anything I say isnt anywhere near as insulting as the $hite you are coming out with here!!
Every argument that says football clubs will die as a result of the newco being dropped is a consequence of the business decisions made at that football club if that indeed is going to be the case.
David Murray nor anyone else at Rangers told Killie to to build a hotel at Rugby Park that would account for half of the potentially crippling £9m debt they would find themselves in during season 09/10...a debt that would have killed the club off if they were relegated that season.
Motherwell got into trouble because John Boyle allowed Billy Davies to spend more on transfer fees and wages than the club could actually afford to.
David Murray, with all his words, did not make these decisions, is not responsible for these decisions being made, and is guilty of nothing other than very very poor financial management at Rangers.....the rest of the clubs have to lok at themselves!!
Do not talk such utter utter pi$h mate!!
posted on 21/6/12
"David Murray was such an influential and believable character that his words actually made SPL chairman make poor business decisions for their own clubs"
Pretty much nail on the head, st3vie.
I don't know how old you are st3vie but Rangers exerted a huge influence on the commercial, marketing, and transfer strategy of Scottish football.
Remember Ravanelli?
posted on 21/6/12
Right....so David Murray made Dundee spend way way more money than what they had coming in did he??
I honestly dont think I have ever heard, or will ever hear a more tinted spec view than that mate....seriously, thats just sheer hatred of everything Rangers showing through right there....saying Rangers caused all the problems Dundee and everyone else got THEMSELVES into
posted on 21/6/12
Murray was heavily influenced by the success that was being made of the Premier League in England, and of the Champions League by Uefa...how much of a commercial success it was, how well it was marketed.
I guess its the fault of all those responsible for this making these thing what they are today that led Murray to run Rangers the way he did then aye???
See, I can pass the buck too ye know
posted on 21/6/12
and who made these EPL clubs spend like crazy
Sky
So its the fault of Sky
But wait
Who runs Sky
Mr Murdoch
So it will be his fault then
Howd oan
If he hadnae been born
But he was
So as in all things I blame the parents
posted on 21/6/12
Was clearly God's fault Duke
posted on 21/6/12
For the record tim....I'm 30 mate
What age are you......12??
posted on 21/6/12
posted on 21/6/12
What about the parents of the parents? They must shoulder some of the blame too?
posted on 21/6/12
no way IE
YIR Grand parents are always perfect
posted on 21/6/12
Whit about the grandparents parents, it all started with them
posted on 21/6/12
You know what I'm talking about, berz.
Don't you remember your owner standing with his stripy double breested suit and his scarlet braces telling everyone to spend spend spend?
And lots of clubs bought into it. Aided by willing banks who were cut from the same cloth as Minty. Money was easy to come by then. No such thing as bust, boom all the way baby!
Guess what? Boom came alright. Thanks to the 'revolution'.
GIRUY.
posted on 21/6/12
Aye, dave Murray should have foreseen a worldwide recession tim o tay
posted on 21/6/12
"lots of clubs bought into it.".....which means it was their choice
"Aided by willing banks who were cut from the same cloth as Minty"....but not Minty, but you are blaming Minty, for everything
I want you to jump off a bridge tim o tay....David Murray told me to tell you this by the way
seriously......fck off
get that RUY
posted on 21/6/12
Great analogy Stevie
Polis - 'so tim o tay, why did you shoot that man?'
Tim - 'cos dave Murray told me to so don't blame me, dave said it'
Polis - clink
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